EVE General Discussion

Of particular interest is why Player A gets lagmonstered hard while Player B in the same fleet on the same grid sees minimal effects.

Obviously any hints that you can give us on how to affect this on the client side would be extremely valuable. I had brackets off, all effects off, ship, gate & planet only overview, if that helps.

That might be aplicabe to the fight itself yes, but how about all those left behing during the travel to said system being picked on while trying to log back in and stuck in black loading screens and progress bar being shot helpless ?

I'm pretty sure no setting/config or PC setup would fix that.

Please excuse me as I'm quite uppset, aimed for a pleasant pew pew afternoon today when I could have some time outside with mrs and a few friends, but instead I was hungry for some lasors and ended up stuck in a black screen being killed by a handfull of noobs not being able to do anything about it, having to pod myself to get back.

Regarding the issue at hand I find it quite difficult for the simple and quick check reason that my alt, had no issues whatsoever in empire, therefore could not be an issue on my end, same pc, same network connection, same variables on my side, nevertheless you are right many issues might not be eve server related, hell, might not even be the player/player connection fault, the routing can go haywire sometimes and in those circumstances I'll be the first one to point it out, as fast as I criticize CCP for an issue that arise I believe to be their problem, I'll also thank when it is deserved, and for that, I have to thank as CarbonIO is actually working amazingly great as tested this thursday in Sisi.

The issue with the black screen has been plaguing players from long time already and imo as a developer there could have been a bandaid fix to avoid it for quite a while already, I don't know the intricates of CCP server/client communication though, but I would guess that all it would need would be simply waiting for the whole client to be fully loaded and responsive and send a packet to the server allowing for the warp initiation, something that doesn't seem to be happening, the 'green' light sent to server to initiate the warp is happening way before all resources are loaded, friends had half ui loaded, no chat whatsoever nor overview, only ship and modules, unable to do anything, all frozen, while being shot by reds @ the gate (and this in a system with about 15 ppl), my guessing is, server load was tremendous, queueing instructions, and the client wasn't in synch with the server.

Again, imho, this things aren't hard to fix, obviously I'm talking without knowing how the server works, probably the server has some screwed up threading design that allows for this easy desynch that CarbonIO is about to fix, but I had to rant, I got really pissed, and it got me even more uppset because I don't like at all to not have control of what's happening, it feels really bad to know you're being shot at, in a blank screen, where u know that if you quit client won't do a thing, and staying will just keep you staring at a black screen.

I sympathise mate, I really do. I have had it happen to me on a number of occasions and I can see why you are annoyed. All I was suggesting was that maybe there was more to it than just 'a server screw up'. However, I am open to the idea that it could something that is a problem at the server side and nothing that a player can do to improve or worsen. I must confess that I am not technical to really understand how it works but I would have thought that if the solution was so simple then why hasn't it been done?! Clearly there is something else happening whether that be client or server or somewhere in between that causes this problem and CCP haven't managed to narrow it down enough to stop it happening so frequently. Maybe CCP Veritas can give us a better insight into why it is happening and whether such a fix would work if it could be implemented?

Edit: He beat me too it. Thanks CCP Veritas for explaining a bit more about the reason for black screens.

No Lag, Fun Features and Exciting Future Plans.

Pick any one.

Sounds like Session Changes is due for a major upgrade next, ala Carbon IO?

No. CarbonIO has been running on the server for some time now, so I feel comfortable saying it doesn't solve the problem.


Yes, it's in C++.


It's been on various teams' wish list since I've been at CCP (a year and a half-ish), but it's one of those big-scary-might-break-everything things that somehow keeps being put off


It should help, though I'm not certain quite how much, since I'm not certain what the exact problem we're dealing with here is. Depending on how aggressively we tune TiDi to kick in once load is laid on, it might not respond fast enough. The downside of making it aggressive enough to kick in before such things can go down is that it might kick in when it really shouldn't. It's a balancing act we'll need to play with once we have real life datapoints to track.


I hope so; our test plan is quite behind schedule already ><

Thanks for the update to my thread: post 114794.
Let's get some dates and commitments now please.

Are we talking undocumented code that hasn't been touched in 5 years gnarly or undocumented, obfuscated, spaghetti code that was written by a drunken monkey gnarly?