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Incursions are ridiculous currently.
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Mr Stark
Pimpin' Ain't Easy
#1 - 2012-04-21 22:18:15 UTC
So, Incursions are the most immersion breaking, ridiculous storyline ever. Ever ever.

Not the idea of incursions, that is a pretty great storyline, but not in hisec.

Concord would not ignore incursions. Navy and security forces would not ignore incursions. Currently concord will arrive at an incursion site due to a transgression by a capsuleer, then proceed to totally ignore the dozens of evil sansha war vessels pillaging and destroying, right there on grid with them. Its ridiculous.

Im not saying get rid of incursions, im not even saying get rid of hisec incursions, but make something even a bit believable, such as the sansha problem is such that in any constelation an incursion happens at, Concord are so overstretched saving the hisec population that they simply dont have the manpower to divert to any other matters, same with navies and security. Basically make that constelation not have concord response, or at very least no concord response inside an incursion site.

Immersion is important here, breaking it so that you can have a feature is ridiculous, especially as it is such a stupid breakage. It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-04-21 22:22:31 UTC
Another 'nerf high sec incursions' thread?
Kenneth Skybound
Gallifrey Resources
#3 - 2012-04-21 22:41:59 UTC
He's right though - immersion should be conserved where possible.

If CONCORD are so powerful and they'll deal so quickly with us, why not have a valid reason - and consequences - of not doing anything about an incursion.

I don't take part in anything like this (as yet) - just a newbie. All I know is blatant, gaping holes like that ruin the experience more than a bit. (see also warp bubbles forming in wrong direction).
Grey Azorria
Federation Industries
#4 - 2012-04-21 22:46:25 UTC
Kenneth Skybound wrote:
(see also warp bubbles forming in wrong direction).

Clearing cache will fix that right up Blink

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Leza Bo ManHater
Pyramid Celestial
#5 - 2012-04-21 22:50:28 UTC
Kenneth Skybound wrote:
He's right though - immersion should be conserved where possible.

If CONCORD are so powerful and they'll deal so quickly with us, why not have a valid reason - and consequences - of not doing anything about an incursion.

I don't take part in anything like this (as yet) - just a newbie. All I know is blatant, gaping holes like that ruin the experience more than a bit. (see also warp bubbles forming in wrong direction).


i dont know about the rest of you but when i play eve i am usually stripped down to my undies while in my moms dark basement i def need ccp pay more attention to the immersion of the game because of have totally fried my brain smoking pot
Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-04-21 22:56:26 UTC
Kenneth Skybound wrote:
He's right though - immersion should be conserved where possible.

If CONCORD are so powerful and they'll deal so quickly with us, why not have a valid reason - and consequences - of not doing anything about an incursion.

I don't take part in anything like this (as yet) - just a newbie. All I know is blatant, gaping holes like that ruin the experience more than a bit. (see also warp bubbles forming in wrong direction).


I like to think that concord don't blow us up with guns, but secretly the jovians gave them technology so they can force an automatic self destruct of our ships. Those not connected to the network, concord cannot really do much against.

To quote Lfod Shi

The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
Leza Bo ManHater
Pyramid Celestial
#7 - 2012-04-21 23:00:33 UTC
Markus Reese wrote:
Kenneth Skybound wrote:
He's right though - immersion should be conserved where possible.

If CONCORD are so powerful and they'll deal so quickly with us, why not have a valid reason - and consequences - of not doing anything about an incursion.

I don't take part in anything like this (as yet) - just a newbie. All I know is blatant, gaping holes like that ruin the experience more than a bit. (see also warp bubbles forming in wrong direction).


I like to think that concord don't blow us up with guns, but secretly the jovians gave them technology so they can force an automatic self destruct of our ships. Those not connected to the network, concord cannot really do much against.


ill have what he is smokin'
Xorv
Questionable Acquisitions
#8 - 2012-04-21 23:02:12 UTC
Mr Stark wrote:
So, Incursions are the most immersion breaking, ridiculous storyline ever. Ever ever.

Not the idea of incursions, that is a pretty great storyline, but not in hisec.

Concord would not ignore incursions. Navy and security forces would not ignore incursions. Currently concord will arrive at an incursion site due to a transgression by a capsuleer, then proceed to totally ignore the dozens of evil sansha war vessels pillaging and destroying, right there on grid with them. Its ridiculous.
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Immersion is important here, breaking it so that you can have a feature is ridiculous, especially as it is such a stupid breakage. It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.


Completely agree, Incursions are one of the worst additions to EVE ever made. I would like to see them removed entirely and immediately, not to return until CCP has completely redone them in such a way as they are not Immersion breaking, Risk vs Reward breaking, nor inappropriate content for a player conflict driven Sandbox MMORPG.
J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-04-21 23:03:27 UTC
Mr Stark wrote:
I want to blow up the shiny incursion ships without concord bothering me


Is what you really mean Roll


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lanyaie
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#10 - 2012-04-21 23:15:00 UTC
Posting in incursion whine thread #IcantCOUNTTHATFAR.

While we're at it we should nerf frigs, it's unfair how my 200m isk ship cannot hit them but they can hit me.

Oh and buff carriers so they can use( 10 additional) drones in triage and add 10% to all current triage boosts so they can become solo pwn mobiles

Spaceprincess

People who put passwords on char bazaar Eveboards are the worst.
Karn Dulake
Doomheim
#11 - 2012-04-21 23:37:41 UTC
Are you a lowsec pirate getting no ganks and cant get into highsec?
I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion.
supersexysucker
Uber Awesome Fantastico Awesomeness Group
#12 - 2012-04-21 23:52:47 UTC
Need to remove HS rats
Missions
Etc

Cause I mean... they break it too! Hell they break it MORE.

Wtf concord can't take out a dumb frig rat in HS?

I could understand them staying away from an incrusion but a frig?!



ALSO wtf remove all sites too that have any kinda rats!

ya -1/10
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-04-21 23:55:03 UTC
posting in a "SPACESHIPS IS SRS BSNSS!" thread.

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Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#14 - 2012-04-21 23:58:13 UTC
Started off good with some nice stuff about plot-holes and broken immersion...

... then you went full ****** and asked for CONCORD-free ganks.

Katrina Oniseki
Xorv
Questionable Acquisitions
#15 - 2012-04-22 00:29:03 UTC
supersexysucker wrote:
Need to remove HS rats
Missions
Etc



Ideally yes, but Incursions are the worst of it, so it makes sense to address that first. Then Exploration gets moved out, belt rats go, and the only PvE combat missions in High Sec are tied into Faction Warfare. Either that of nerf the hell out of CONCORD.
Kengutsi Akira
Doomheim
#16 - 2012-04-22 00:53:36 UTC
Kenneth Skybound wrote:
He's right though - immersion should be conserved where possible.

If CONCORD are so powerful and they'll deal so quickly with us, why not have a valid reason - and consequences - of not doing anything about an incursion.

I don't take part in anything like this (as yet) - just a newbie. All I know is blatant, gaping holes like that ruin the experience more than a bit. (see also warp bubbles forming in wrong direction).


Yeah how DO they show up in 1.0 sec without the might of the empire's navy crushing the life from it?

"Is it fair that CCP can get away with..." :: checks ownership on the box ::

Yes
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2012-04-22 01:06:17 UTC
So you mean to say all PVE content in hisec except shooting roids is currently broken? Tell me how that goes...

Sugar Von MurdererTits : Jake Warbird gets my vote for most intriguing and attractive male character in Eve.
leviticus ander
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2012-04-22 02:33:53 UTC
you guys really haven't read the back story have you? concord and the military can't step in because the sansha have generators that prevent retaliation on them from NPCs, and it's been found that because of the integration of pod ships to the mind, they are the only ones capable of mounting an effective offence against the sansha.
that's why concord pays us so much for doing what is really not all that much.
Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
#19 - 2012-04-22 04:21:12 UTC
I so totally agree that cooperative PvE content should be completely and totally banned from an MMO.

HOW DARE THEY
Xorv
Questionable Acquisitions
#20 - 2012-04-22 04:29:31 UTC
leviticus ander wrote:
you guys really haven't read the back story have you? concord and the military can't step in because the sansha have generators that prevent retaliation on them from NPCs, and it's been found that because of the integration of pod ships to the mind, they are the only ones capable of mounting an effective offence against the sansha.
that's why concord pays us so much for doing what is really not all that much.


Lol Cheesy lore to justify cheesy gameplay.

... So when will players be able to buy these generators with Sansha LPs?
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