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Doomheim
#1 - 2012-04-19 20:12:13 UTC
Are these usable in small gang PVP or solo? Havent really seen any other than the occasional machariel flying around.

If they are usable, does anyone have some decent fits or ideas?
axxeessee
Trade and Supplies Co.
#2 - 2012-04-19 20:23:13 UTC  |  Edited by: axxeessee
General rule of thumb with faction battleships is :

-Yes they are useable in solo pvp and small gang pvp, but if you dont know how to use them or fit then you should probably not be considering doing it.


As far as answering the actual question, both the machariels and the vindi are used pretty often to solo pvp and small gang pvp, the nightmare can solo pvp but is rarely used and the bhaalgorn is used very often in small/medium gang but you have to be loaded/borderline insane (DHB) to fly them solo. Rattlesnake also goes into the nightmare category.

As far as fitting goes, multiple ways to fit all of them you should look around people killboard since listing them all can take long and is highly dependant on what youre going to do with it.

As far as navy faction battleships personnally I think theyre rather meh, some of them are usable, but most often then not theyre just a little step over their t1 counterparts if you really have the isk to put into it. (Dont get me wrong here, they are better, but still 3 times the price of T1 for a little more punch.)

(Edit : After reading the post below the guy is right, the tier 3 BS have become so expensive lately that Navy faction BS have become somewhat viable with how cheap they are)
Alara IonStorm
#3 - 2012-04-19 20:31:11 UTC
By far the most used PvP Faction Battleship is the Armegeddon Navy Issue. They don't sell for much more then an Abbadon with comparable EHP more Cap and Damage provided you have good Heavy Drone Skills.

I have seen quite a few of them in small gangs. Mostly do to there cost.
Stetson Eagle
Paird Technology
#4 - 2012-04-19 20:38:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Stetson Eagle
I'm giving thought to investing in navy geddons now before they are bought off the market by alliances willing to swap hellcats around a bit.

The navy geddon has 110 compared to 85 scanres vs abaddon, 350 compared to 450 sig radius, sentries (which can be assigned on single pilot for about as good focused dps as the alpha of the fleets unfocused guns), cap bonus for guns (works without elutriation II) and it's black. At least partially black. They could be called black cats.
Zarnak Wulf
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#5 - 2012-04-19 21:14:39 UTC
I like the Fleet Issue Typhoon.
Apolyon I
Shadow of ISW
#6 - 2012-04-20 01:45:28 UTC
bhaal is the best
Crellion
Nano Rhinos
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
#7 - 2012-04-20 05:40:50 UTC
Stetson Eagle wrote:
I'm giving thought to investing in navy geddons now before they are bought off the market by alliances willing to swap hellcats around a bit.

The navy geddon has 110 compared to 85 scanres vs abaddon, 350 compared to 450 sig radius, sentries (which can be assigned on single pilot for about as good focused dps as the alpha of the fleets unfocused guns), cap bonus for guns (works without elutriation II) and it's black. At least partially black. They could be called black cats.



It all makes good sense but seeign a battle report with 20 lost baddons is standard these days ... being on the wrong side of one with 20 lost Navy geddons might hurt the wallet the same(ish) but it might be a punch on your pride's proverbial nose...
AstarothPrime
Pecunia Infinita
#8 - 2012-04-20 07:07:06 UTC
Apolyon I wrote:
bhaal is the best



For small gangs you need a mach for the GTFO purpouse.

Bhaal is heavy artillery compared to it...

I.
jagholas kiri
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-04-20 08:00:29 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
By far the most used PvP Faction Battleship is the Armegeddon Navy Issue. They don't sell for much more then an Abbadon with comparable EHP more Cap and Damage provided you have good Heavy Drone Skills.

I have seen quite a few of them in small gangs. Mostly do to there cost.


Only problem with those is, they are always primary because of being faction :\
Joyitii
Red.Line
#10 - 2012-04-20 08:10:09 UTC
Stetson Eagle wrote:
I'm giving thought to investing in navy geddons now before they are bought off the market by alliances willing to swap hellcats around a bit.

The navy geddon has 110 compared to 85 scanres vs abaddon, 350 compared to 450 sig radius, sentries (which can be assigned on single pilot for about as good focused dps as the alpha of the fleets unfocused guns), cap bonus for guns (works without elutriation II) and it's black. At least partially black. They could be called black cats.

Doubtful that an alliance is going to switch over to Ngeddons right now due to supply and demand issues. Plus they've already decided their new fleet doctrine... tempest.
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
Crouching Woman Hidden Cucumber
#11 - 2012-04-20 13:13:55 UTC
jagholas kiri wrote:
Only problem with those is, they are always primary because of being faction :\


And how is that a problem? If you can say for sure your enemies are going to primary the faction ships the solution seems simple.

That's a weakness of your enemy you need to exploit. Similarly if they always primary one or some of your pilots first thats a massive weakness and its as simple as swapping damage mods for hardeners.

Navy geddons are awesome, and before this bubble they were actually cheaper than baddons for a while.
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#12 - 2012-04-20 13:44:27 UTC
Stetson Eagle wrote:
I'm giving thought to investing in navy geddons now before they are bought off the market by alliances willing to swap hellcats around a bit.

The navy geddon has 110 compared to 85 scanres vs abaddon, 350 compared to 450 sig radius, sentries (which can be assigned on single pilot for about as good focused dps as the alpha of the fleets unfocused guns), cap bonus for guns (works without elutriation II) and it's black. At least partially black. They could be called black cats.


Neddons might sell for about the same on the market, but you need to consider actually losing them costs you more, due to insurance not covering more than the mineral cost.

That, and you can't just research a BPO and knock them out of factories all day long, supply would rapidly run out if a fleet doctrine for a large 0.0 entity incorporated them.

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Lyron-Baktos
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-04-20 14:15:47 UTC
jagholas kiri wrote:
Alara IonStorm wrote:
By far the most used PvP Faction Battleship is the Armegeddon Navy Issue. They don't sell for much more then an Abbadon with comparable EHP more Cap and Damage provided you have good Heavy Drone Skills.

I have seen quite a few of them in small gangs. Mostly do to there cost.


Only problem with those is, they are always primary because of being faction :\


True. if you have a whole fleet of faction BS it's not bad but if you have a whole fleet of regular BS and then the odd faction BS, the faction BS will die in a fire first. Expensive **** is usually the first to be primaried
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2012-04-20 18:24:46 UTC
Adacia Calla
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2012-04-20 18:31:42 UTC
Jake Warbird wrote:
No love for a vindi anyone?

Vindi is perfectly fine, if you're willing to spend 3bil+ on fittings. If you're just going to T2 fit it, you might as well be using a Mega/Navy Mega.

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Skorpynekomimi
#16 - 2012-04-21 04:12:50 UTC
Lyron-Baktos wrote:
jagholas kiri wrote:
Alara IonStorm wrote:
By far the most used PvP Faction Battleship is the Armegeddon Navy Issue. They don't sell for much more then an Abbadon with comparable EHP more Cap and Damage provided you have good Heavy Drone Skills.

I have seen quite a few of them in small gangs. Mostly do to there cost.


Only problem with those is, they are always primary because of being faction :\


True. if you have a whole fleet of faction BS it's not bad but if you have a whole fleet of regular BS and then the odd faction BS, the faction BS will die in a fire first. Expensive **** is usually the first to be primaried


So tank the everloving carp out of it, slap logis on it first, and draw their fire while you take out their DPS.

Economic PVP
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2012-04-21 06:45:17 UTC
Adacia Calla wrote:
Jake Warbird wrote:
No love for a vindi anyone?

Vindi is perfectly fine, if you're willing to spend 3bil+ on fittings. If you're just going to T2 fit it, you might as well be using a Mega/Navy Mega.

Very true. Guess it'll be the mega for me for quite a long while. M broke all the time lawl.

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Doomheim
#18 - 2012-04-21 16:14:34 UTC
Adacia Calla wrote:
Jake Warbird wrote:
No love for a vindi anyone?

Vindi is perfectly fine, if you're willing to spend 3bil+ on fittings. If you're just going to T2 fit it, you might as well be using a Mega/Navy Mega.



Why would anyone spend that much on a pvp ship? I cant imagine it would make it that much better? Are the fittings more important than the ship? A t2 Faction BS wont work?
Apolyon I
Shadow of ISW
#19 - 2012-04-21 18:57:57 UTC
Jump SuperCaps Now wrote:
Adacia Calla wrote:
Jake Warbird wrote:
No love for a vindi anyone?

Vindi is perfectly fine, if you're willing to spend 3bil+ on fittings. If you're just going to T2 fit it, you might as well be using a Mega/Navy Mega.



Why would anyone spend that much on a pvp ship? I cant imagine it would make it that much better? Are the fittings more important than the ship? A t2 Faction BS wont work?


why not??

what else would you spend your isk on???
Wyte Ragnarok
#20 - 2012-04-21 21:23:00 UTC
Jump SuperCaps Now wrote:

Why would anyone spend that much on a pvp ship? I cant imagine it would make it that much better? Are the fittings more important than the ship? A t2 Faction BS wont work?


2000 DPS and a dual web that can slow an MWDing interceptor down to battleship speed begs to differ.
Vindicator is a brilliant ship. Never flown one, but I'm aiming for one within the next six months. If you're going to spend 1 bill ISK on a PVP ship, then a lot of the fittings are faction. Fed Navy Mag Stabs and webs, Imperial Navy EANMs etc. to just name a couple of things.
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