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Any changes to Scanning over the last year?
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Areale
Blood Talon LLC
#1 - 2012-04-20 18:15:43 UTC
I took a break from eve about a year ago and have recently reactivated my account and have this question.

Did they make any changes to scanning and scan probes?

I have been trying to scan for wormholes and keep running into the same problem.
I launch 5 probes and place them in an + pattern and begin homing in on a signature. after each signature I re-center the + pattern over the new anomaly location, reduce the scan range by half (32 > 16 > 8 > 8 > 2) and keep the scan range of all the probes overlapping by about 2/3. This works like it always has until I get to 1AU or less. At that point when the scan finishes, it does not find any anomalies. I can expand the scan range back out to 2 au (and leave the probes in the same places) and it will find the anomaly withing the + pattern of probes. I reduce it back down to 1 and it vanishes.

Any ideas? This is how I did it over a year ago and never had this problem.

Areale
supersexysucker
Uber Awesome Fantastico Awesomeness Group
#2 - 2012-04-20 18:27:44 UTC  |  Edited by: supersexysucker
First lol 5 probes lol lrn to probe,
Second filters 8-)
Third anomalies are not probed out.
malaire
#3 - 2012-04-20 18:36:03 UTC
Sometime ago probing was changed so that all probes affect result, not just best 4. So maybe try using more than 5 probes.

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Ank Parkor
WildSpace Otters
#4 - 2012-04-20 18:36:47 UTC
Scanning is a looooooooooooot easier now.
Remember that you had to move your probes one by one....
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supersexysucker
Uber Awesome Fantastico Awesomeness Group
#5 - 2012-04-20 18:38:59 UTC
malaire wrote:
Sometime ago probing was changed so that all probes affect result, not just best 4. So maybe try using more than 5 probes.



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4 probes all you need bro, maybe 5 if the OP is probing out 10/10s or has worse than **** skills, and then you just drop the last one once you get to .25 au.

8-)

CCP changed the filters or some stupid **** and it needs to be reset...

If I was the OP I'd just file a petition just to add to CCPs **** for dumb **** changes.
Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-04-20 18:48:55 UTC
Only change has been that it will take into account more than 4 probes or something. Essentially more you use, the better.

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Mark Androcius
#7 - 2012-04-20 18:51:12 UTC
I had kind of the same issue to, i was also out for about 4 months.
With me though, the signals seem to be jumping a lot more and a lot further away, from 50% signal to 12% and literally up to 3 AU away from the last signal spot.

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EdwardNardella
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-04-20 18:52:59 UTC
Areale, show us a screenshot, I suspect your difficulties may have something to do with your probing pattern.
Areale
Blood Talon LLC
#9 - 2012-04-20 18:59:02 UTC
EdwardNardella wrote:
Areale, show us a screenshot, I suspect your difficulties may have something to do with your probing pattern.



I will have to wait a few hours till I get home, but I will attach a screenshot.

Areale
Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#10 - 2012-04-20 18:59:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Destination SkillQueue
supersexysucker wrote:
First lol 5 probes lol lrn to probe,
Second filters 8-)
Third anomalies are not probed out.


This is the correct answer, but I'll expand on it a little bit.

Using 5 probes isn't a problem, but you'll benefit from using more. It's also harder to lose the signature with better coverage, but I suspect that this isn't your issue and is a preference thing anyway. It could be the cause, but unless you're new to scanning out signatures you know how these things work and know what you're doing.

Filters are the more likely culprit here. They made a change how they work and a lot of people ended up losing signatures, since they were filtered at the point they were revealed. This lead to much forum whining about signatures disappearing without any reason and you're likely suffering from the same, since you've been away and scanning seems to be working fine for everyone else at the moment.
supersexysucker
Uber Awesome Fantastico Awesomeness Group
#11 - 2012-04-20 19:05:06 UTC
omg someone who knows wtf they are talking about!

Ya 5 aint the problem but 4 is the best way to probe, fastest... I've never had an issue losing a sig using 4 in a +.

I just showed a guy how to probe... he has NO skills but the one to launch probs... t1 frig...

He can get the hardest sigs in lowsec with only 4.

But ya the issue is as I said the stupid filters CCP did whatever to.
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-04-20 19:05:42 UTC
supersexysucker wrote:
malaire wrote:
Sometime ago probing was changed so that all probes affect result, not just best 4. So maybe try using more than 5 probes.



notsureifretarted.jpg

4 probes all you need bro, maybe 5 if the OP is probing out 10/10s or has worse than **** skills, and then you just drop the last one once you get to .25 au.

8-)

CCP changed the filters or some stupid **** and it needs to be reset...

If I was the OP I'd just file a petition just to add to CCPs **** for dumb **** changes.

Since all probes contribute to the result why would you use less?
Kieron VonDeux
#13 - 2012-04-20 19:09:15 UTC
Areale wrote:
I took a break from eve about a year ago and have recently reactivated my account and have this question.

Did they make any changes to scanning and scan probes?

I have been trying to scan for wormholes and keep running into the same problem.
I launch 5 probes and place them in an + pattern and begin homing in on a signature. after each signature I re-center the + pattern over the new anomaly location, reduce the scan range by half (32 > 16 > 8 > 8 > 2) and keep the scan range of all the probes overlapping by about 2/3. This works like it always has until I get to 1AU or less. At that point when the scan finishes, it does not find any anomalies. I can expand the scan range back out to 2 au (and leave the probes in the same places) and it will find the anomaly withing the + pattern of probes. I reduce it back down to 1 and it vanishes.

Any ideas? This is how I did it over a year ago and never had this problem.

Areale



I had this problem once and it was due to my filter.

I had it set to filter out everything except wormholes and the result I was narrowning down on wasn't filtered out until I got a better scan result to determine it wasn't a wormhole.

I cleared my filter when It disappeard again and found out it was a site that I was working on and not a wormhole.
Marcus Ichiro
IchiCorp
#14 - 2012-04-20 19:23:46 UTC
supersexysucker wrote:
omg someone who knows wtf they are talking about!

Ya 5 aint the problem but 4 is the best way to probe, fastest... I've never had an issue losing a sig using 4 in a +.

I just showed a guy how to probe... he has NO skills but the one to launch probs... t1 frig...

He can get the hardest sigs in lowsec with only 4.

But ya the issue is as I said the stupid filters CCP did whatever to.


A said earlier in this thread, all probes contribute to the scan result. Because of that and the lovely CTRL and ALT functions using more than 4 probes doesn't take any extra time to use but gives much better results.

Simplest way to go about it is 7 probes. One in the middle, one above, one below, one north, east, south and west.
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#15 - 2012-04-20 19:28:56 UTC
By CTRL and ALT you guys mean SHIFT and ALT, right?

CTRL does nothing.

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Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#16 - 2012-04-20 19:32:43 UTC
supersexysucker wrote:
malaire wrote:
Sometime ago probing was changed so that all probes affect result, not just best 4. So maybe try using more than 5 probes.



notsureifretarted.jpg

4 probes all you need bro, maybe 5 if the OP is probing out 10/10s or has worse than **** skills, and then you just drop the last one once you get to .25 au.

8-)

CCP changed the filters or some stupid **** and it needs to be reset...

If I was the OP I'd just file a petition just to add to CCPs **** for dumb **** changes.

notsureifretarted.jpg

When incarna rolled around, they adjusted the scanning formula to make probes weaker individually, but also allowed all 8 probes to contribute, not just best 4. So using 6-7 probes now gives about the same overall results as did best 4 pre-incarna. So only using 4 probes gives you unequivocally worse results, bro.

Why use more than 4 probes?
To get a 100% lock faster.
To get a 100% lock at a larger scan range.

Unless you like taking twice as long to scan as everyone else, bro. Then by all means use just 4 probes.
Oxandrolone
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2012-04-20 20:32:45 UTC
maybe you got a filter one that for example filters our mag sites. when you get to 1au it gets to 25% signal strength so you identify it as a mag site and then your filter filters it out. the filter cant just filter out a sig called GLE if its at 12% because it doesnt know its a magsite at this point.