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GM's setting wallet to Negative - A bit harsh?
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Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
#61 - 2012-04-18 11:30:58 UTC
I feel it prudent to mention that you have many wallets in EVE just use another wallet. Each account has 3 chars with up to 2 wallets. If one wallet is made negative just use the other 5 that you have. ie get another char to do your business involving isk while using contracts to move goods.

You can also save your bounty on rats by setting your corp tax to 100%, you can also just use corp wallet to do any eve market trading.

Simple's my meerkat friends.
Namiiine
NubSquad
#62 - 2012-04-18 12:04:15 UTC
Why is this thread still running?

He biomass'd his toon, he's gone.

He cheated, got caught and paid the price. Good riddance.

But this thread is still going? Let it die.
Another RMTer gone.
Diva Ex Machina
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#63 - 2012-04-18 12:18:49 UTC
Namiiine wrote:
Why is this thread still running?

He biomass'd his toon, he's gone.

...


If he had his corp would be 'Doomheim'. But I agree, I can't stand it when people cheat to get ahead.
Rimal Babalu
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#64 - 2012-04-18 21:23:38 UTC
Actually not harsh at all.

It's true that we scam/troll/gank and generally grief the living daylight from each other but it is all within the game, once you use money to get shinny stuff so you can gain an edge it becomes miraculous, a bit like paying for a cheat code.
In my opinion, even if it is within game rules to be able to buy ISK through PLEX it also amounts to cheating.
The nice side to that is that PvPers get to shoot very shinny stuff flown by total noobs, and I agree that it gives me great pleasure when one of those crosses my path...
There should be a clear information that says to newer players "With proper game experience and relations you will be more badass in a Hurricane than if you jump directly into a Faction fitted Nightmare, so don't waste your money trying to get an edge, just waste your time playing and you'll have it!"
... Then again, CCP makes money and we have adrenaline rushes when peeps buy ISK.
The added crime of buying illegal ISK is encouraging bots, but I am really hoping that CCP will finally eliminate them once and for all!

Btw, if you have negative wallet and want a trusted partner to serve as intermediate to sell your stuff to replenish it, contact me.
Nathan Jameson
Grumpy Bastards
#65 - 2012-04-19 04:12:14 UTC
Hammerin' Snatch wrote:
No thanks, EvE is too much fun to simply quit, if it comes down to it I'll have to roll another toon and mourn the loss of this guy forever...


Did you know you can reroll a character with the same name as a biomassed character, as long as no one else has taken the name it yet?

I've done it twice.

http://www.wormholes.info
Faith Patrouette
Careless Carebears Inc.
#66 - 2012-04-19 13:25:46 UTC
I hope when you biomass this character to bypass the negative wallet, ccp gives the new character on that account the same negative balance.....
Harrigan VonStudly
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#67 - 2012-04-19 15:04:03 UTC
Looks like your snatch got hammered.
flakeys
Doomheim
#68 - 2012-04-19 15:11:18 UTC
OP is right it is not an appropriate punishment to set his wallet negative.






Now an appropriate punishment would be a perma ban.Same for botusers and all.

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#69 - 2012-04-19 18:33:11 UTC
Diva Ex Machina wrote:
Namiiine wrote:
Why is this thread still running?

He biomass'd his toon, he's gone.

...


If he had his corp would be 'Doomheim'. But I agree, I can't stand it when people cheat to get ahead.



Hammerin' Snatch
Doomheim

Cool

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Drew Solaert
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#70 - 2012-04-19 18:38:59 UTC
Make an alt, and grind up enough enough for some ammo, send it to the main and start grinding your way out of the hole.

I lied :o
Psychotic Monk
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#71 - 2012-04-19 20:44:05 UTC
flakeys wrote:
OP is right it is not an appropriate punishment to set his wallet negative.

Now an appropriate punishment would be a perma ban.Same for botusers and all.


No way. This is way funnier and probably hurts more.

Belligerent Undesirables Selling Griefer Immunity
Slightly Mental
Doomheim
#72 - 2012-04-19 20:48:12 UTC
Tinu Moorhsum wrote:
Hammerin' Snatch wrote:
Alright so he's what I'm thinking on this matter, if you disagree, fair enough.



TLDR; I cheated and got caught and now i'm crying on the forums because I think I should be allowed to make excuses for my cheating and get a second chance.

Frankly, I'm glad you got caught. It's people like you who create a market for RMT and indirectly cause the botting which screws up the game for the rest of us.

You got what you asked for and you'll find no sympathy here.


+1
Msgerbs
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#73 - 2012-04-20 05:46:23 UTC
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
Neg wallet is hardly a detterent at all come to think of it so I hearby propose any corp wallet get put into negative isk for any players who get caught botting RMT'ng

New griefing tactic: Roll alt. Put alt in corp. Do RMT. Get wallet set negative. GG?
Thelvan
The Social Club for Us
#74 - 2012-04-20 12:34:39 UTC
I don't think getting around a negative wallet should be so "easy". If you want to make the character really usable again, you should have to pay it off. So I would say that if you have a negative wallet balance, that any isk you make automatically goes towards the neg balance before it goes to corp tax, unless it is an NPC corp of course, then you pay the NPC corp tax before it goes to fix neg wallet. If you are a CEO or director (or any role that allows you access to take money from a corp wallet), then anything that would have gone into any wallet you have access to goes to fix neg balance. If a player corp is unfortunate/dumb enough to have an RMTer for a director....well, you should know your members better. There should be no way to use a character with a neg wallet unless you are paying off that neg wallet.
Aesheera
Doomheim
#75 - 2012-04-20 12:51:31 UTC
Buying ISK should result in total closure of said account.

No -ISK, no bans of that one character, leaving 2 possible alts there still okay.

A total, irrevocable, closure.

My 0.02 ISK

- I think my passion is misinterpreted as anger sometimes. And I don't think people are ready for the message that I'm delivering, and delivering with a sense of violent love.
Aesheera
Doomheim
#76 - 2012-04-20 12:54:30 UTC
Msgerbs wrote:
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
Neg wallet is hardly a detterent at all come to think of it so I hearby propose any corp wallet get put into negative isk for any players who get caught botting RMT'ng

New griefing tactic: Roll alt. Put alt in corp. Do RMT. Get wallet set negative. GG?


Who exactly gets griefed then?
You do RMT, in order to do significant damage your paying buttloads of cash in order to make the neg hit and hurt.

Sounds like only the RMT'r will be in serious pain, especially when a petition will restore the non-RMT'ers in full.

/facepalm

- I think my passion is misinterpreted as anger sometimes. And I don't think people are ready for the message that I'm delivering, and delivering with a sense of violent love.
Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
#77 - 2012-04-20 14:14:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Nerath Naaris
Aesheera wrote:
Buying ISK should result in total closure of said account.

No -ISK, no bans of that one character, leaving 2 possible alts there still okay.

A total, irrevocable, closure.

My 0.02 ISK


Actually no, an ISK-buyer should be able to repay his depts with CCP by getting back into the black via (legal) PLEX.
It´s them he has hurt, after all.

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Aesheera
Doomheim
#78 - 2012-04-20 15:08:57 UTC
Nerath Naaris wrote:
Aesheera wrote:
Buying ISK should result in total closure of said account.

No -ISK, no bans of that one character, leaving 2 possible alts there still okay.

A total, irrevocable, closure.

My 0.02 ISK


Actually no, an ISK-buyer should be able to repay his depts with CCP by getting back into the black via (legal) PLEX.
It´s them he has hurt, after all.


Judging by your signature, I can imagine you'd prefer ban > closure.

Imo, breaking the EULA and feeding the RMT is reason enough to implement a account wide perma ban.

- I think my passion is misinterpreted as anger sometimes. And I don't think people are ready for the message that I'm delivering, and delivering with a sense of violent love.
Atalius Vinelgo
Ruthless Regiment
SL0W CHILDREN AT PLAY
#79 - 2012-04-20 15:52:37 UTC
I'd do what someone suggested and create another character and have that guy fight along side the new account. You can at least use his skills and keep him training. One day you will have enough money to pay it all back, just get the new account up and ready to do incursions, you will make it back in no time.
Quiby San
#80 - 2012-04-21 01:43:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Quiby San
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