Ships & Modules

Doesn't have a jump drive, so you're only getting that if you're bringing support and either bring 1/squad or skip skirmish or tank bonuses. If you're bringing support, there's no problem since support and caps working together should be rewarded. You can fit them on supers, but slot 10 will be taken by the armor implant, so it will only give a 18.75% bonus. Add in the fact that even a lot of the people that train leadership skills (which are usually not the supercap chars) skip info warfare and it becomes a very unlikely bonus
However, even with that bonus from a SC the Raven doesn't go over 1081, or 1233 with a Proteus. That's 71% and 62% damage reduction
If you get to include such an unlikely bonus though, I get to include x-instinct, and with an improved version of that it goes back to 960 with the Aeon or 1094 with the Proteus for 77% and 70% damage reduction. Any of those scenarios still fulfill the point of disproving the claim that the damage scaling "will do nothing against most ships when TPs are applied"

I know what you're trying to do, but bringing tank and skirmish bonuses is simply common sense that you should always do anyway if possible, goes with the sub-cap fleet that they are being assumed with and are very common skills
Bringing info bonuses on the other hand is something you'd do only for VERY specific scenarios and doesn't go with the capitals you want to assume them with. I assume Erebus and Avatar bonus for them, I just haven't shown that since it has no effect on the calculations involved.

Remember we are considering here sitting duck. If it take a whole fleet of supercap to alpha an immobile BS, I think we pretty much did it.
I also think tier 3 BC may see an increase in their price...

Hi, my name is stacking penalties. Have we met?

Even if you have that bonus, only doing 38% (minus a bit more for hit quality) of the current damage one a small number that has to be primaried to apply TPs on instead of just blapping everything is a pretty huge change, and that's against (one of?) the largest sig sub-cap ship in the game.
Additionally, you CAN use a AB, and that finally gives a reason to consider fitting them sometimes in some specific scenarios (of course, together with a MWD rather then instead of). Not gonna do that much though.

There's your problem... you give the raven the best opportunity to reduce it's sig, but give target painters no bonus. Throw a proteus bonus on those painters and see if it's 41.25% every time.

And saying a proteus bonus isn't common with supers just because in current eve mechanics it's not needed is horrible. I'll throw a damn Ewar command bonus on a frickin Avatar and mind link it if it means my entire fleet will hit for massive amounts more damage per shot on every target painted.

So only a minmatar fleet deserve to alpha one BS ? If it take a fleet of titans to alpha the hugest BS in the game, then titans are only hyper expensive maelstrom that even require super heavy ewar coordination to be on par ; but I'm all for a nerf of arty if you ask
Bigest problem of titan was they where able to blap *anything*. Numbers show that they will not be able to blap anything but super painted BS, and even in this case, they will have to coordinate their action exactly like an alpha fleet would do

Infact, I even see some irony here, because only a dozen pages before, a 1300 sig carrier was completely OP if it couldn't be destroyed by dreads

Greyscale fires 8 800mm autocannons loaded with PHD rounds for a wrecking shot of 999999 hit points.

The equivalent of proportional is .5(tracking) + .5( sig radius) meaning if a ship failed to dodge a shot due to 0 speed, he'd only have a 50% chance to be hit merely due to size. This is not eve mechanics.

In eve, signature modifies tracking, but tracking is always the superlative and can counter sig. this issue is propagated more because tracking increases as range increases, but signature does not see a proportional fall off.

What you've suggested is that a change to one or a change to the other is like equalizing a balance scale. But simply put, you can't break sig in this game. Even with largest res to sig ratio, you still have some chance to hit. Tracking determines that chance ultimately and even at extreme values of near 0 : infinity with ratios of sig to res, if tracking is 0 or approaching 0, the effect is removed.

So when you state that sig is equal to tracking, that's impossible to state since signiture's effect is totally dependent on tracking.
And since tracking gets a 1000% increase from it's 1km base every 10km, and signature see's no decrease, you can see how **** little this means to the game. But I forgot, you must be a pro b/c you went to some PHD for something YOU ARE FIXING AND HAVE NO EXPERTISE IN. That's like suggesting that I talked to a Physics professor at my university, and therefore I'm ready to build a rocket.

The other thing your PHD wizz didn't account for is that tracking grows with range and therefore is not a static variable. While signature is a static variable that never changes over the course of range. What this means is that the part of the formula that accounts for tracking varies and has more weight over range than the part that accounts for signature and remains static.

Tracking can in fact grow by as much 25000% in that multiplier from 1km range to 250 km range. Over the same course of range, signature will not change.

When you introduce webs in at close range, the same effect occurs as they essentially create an artificial range dilation on angular velocity.

And to throw a PHD in my face like it means something is total rubbish. It's like saying George Bush went to Yale and therefore he's not an idiot. Your PHD only know's as much information as you feed him you clueless git, which is why I say to either listen to someone who's actually studied the eve mechanics and has somewhat of a grasp, or GTFO of the way so someone better can handle it.

Next time you throw a PHD in my face, you better ******* have a grasp on the content knowledge first bro.

Do you even know why the wormhole exploit worked for perfect hits before it was removed? The formula as currently coded has a variable in it that can sink to 0 creating an undefined slope on chance. This was recognized by the client and allowed infinite range, and perfect damage. The patch to get it out of game had to adjust the wormhole effect that created the undefined slope. This in fact had 0 to do with signature of ships. The way it was exploited was to **** with the tracking variables on ships.

If you seriously believe that signature is 50% of the hit/miss calculation, why would this occur?

It's a poorly written code if that's the expectation.

The only way for signature to be 50% of the hit/miss calculation is for .5*tracking ratio + .5 * sig res ratio. As you can see, that formula does not add, it multiplies. Multiplying variables as they have creates a dependent and independent variable. Since signature is static once set, only tracking can be the independent variable. This would mean that signature depends on tracking and does not independently affect your hit/miss probability.

The only way for both probabilities to have equal effect is to separate the terms. The only way to separate the terms in mathematics is through addition or subtraction. You can ask any 6th grader that question as it's in their current curriculum.

Yeah, that's good because we all know your keeping an eye on developments on TQ and seeing where we go from there will be anything but a glacial process, right, right? Like figuring out there was a new technetium supremacy etc was something you guys got right on to fixing. And we all know the drake nerf, that really won't amount to much of a well-deserved nerf, won't happen til the heat death of the universe as you have stated.

So carry on with the great balancing work you guys are doing. I'm looking forward to many more years of Drakes/Tengus/Titans online. Well maybe no so much Titans, but still. o7

If you just approach zero - nothing will break, you need to make the value negative.

Anyway, what does it change? Nothing, it's question of tools used to change any member of formula. I think i clearly said that TD had such tools while others didn't. Availability of tools to achieve negative tracking doesn't turn tracking speed iself into unique member of formula.