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C'mon Britain get over it.

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#21 - 2012-04-17 14:48:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Herzog Wolfhammer
Astenion wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Why would we be bitter? We went on to build the greatest empire the planet has ever seenBlink


I think Rome would like to have a word with you about that.

When you were swinging from trees and dancing around fires with facepaint and wolf pelts, they were literally inventing the next 2000 years of modern society.



If I was British I would have to say that my stiff upper lip would be most challenged.


The Romans didn't take the whole island, but that's more attributable to an empire being stretched too thin than anything else.


To Britain's credit, while an empire, didn't go out like Rome. Still, it bothers me to see EvE trailers with people sporting British accents because it implies that after more than 20 thousand years we have failed to eradicate that anglo saxon scum with their bland cuisine, knees bent running about behavior and Benny Hill. Cool

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Whitehound
#22 - 2012-04-17 14:53:09 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Astenion wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Why would we be bitter? We went on to build the greatest empire the planet has ever seenBlink


I think Rome would like to have a word with you about that.

When you were swinging from trees and dancing around fires with facepaint and wolf pelts, they were literally inventing the next 2000 years of modern society.



If I was British I would have to say that my stiff upper lip would be most challenged.


The Romans didn't take the whole island, but that's more attributable to an empire being stretched too thin than anything else.

Jawohl mein Fuhrer.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#23 - 2012-04-17 14:56:53 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Astenion wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Why would we be bitter? We went on to build the greatest empire the planet has ever seenBlink


I think Rome would like to have a word with you about that.

When you were swinging from trees and dancing around fires with facepaint and wolf pelts, they were literally inventing the next 2000 years of modern society.



If I was British I would have to say that my stiff upper lip would be most challenged.


The Romans didn't take the whole island, but that's more attributable to an empire being stretched too thin than anything else.

Jawohl mein Fuhrer.



I know what this thread is missing, the official accusation of being in league with the Neo crowd for not being a fan of the present state of states.

But please, show me where the Adolf movement or their ideals are NOT in charge of things. Most of what troubles the world and makes America the country that it is today is the very thing we claim to righteously fill graveyards with, and everything good people fight against.

But you probably won't be able to do that, as indicated by your present track. People like me ignore people like you and go on to start brush fires in minds that are more worthy of the time and effort.

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Whitehound
#24 - 2012-04-17 15:55:45 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
I know what this thread is missing, the official accusation of being in league with the Neo crowd for not being a fan of the present state of states.

But please, show me where the Adolf movement or their ideals are NOT in charge of things. Most of what troubles the world and makes America the country that it is today is the very thing we claim to righteously fill graveyards with, and everything good people fight against.

But you probably won't be able to do that, as indicated by your present track. People like me ignore people like you and go on to start brush fires in minds that are more worthy of the time and effort.

How cute are you? Germany does not have a recent and great military history and so you go looking at other nations and want to tell them "Come on"?

You come on! Get over it. There is nothing to talk about. Start a thread where you talk about Germany's military history before the time of You-Know-Who. Just do not tell people what they shall think of their own histories in lack of your own. You have lost the war and no amount of cuteness will change this.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#25 - 2012-04-17 16:09:04 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
I know what this thread is missing, the official accusation of being in league with the Neo crowd for not being a fan of the present state of states.

But please, show me where the Adolf movement or their ideals are NOT in charge of things. Most of what troubles the world and makes America the country that it is today is the very thing we claim to righteously fill graveyards with, and everything good people fight against.

But you probably won't be able to do that, as indicated by your present track. People like me ignore people like you and go on to start brush fires in minds that are more worthy of the time and effort.

How cute are you? Germany does not have a recent and great military history and so you go looking at other nations and want to tell them "Come on"?

You come on! Get over it. There is nothing to talk about. Start a thread where you talk about Germany's military history before the time of You-Know-Who. Just do not tell people what they shall think of their own histories in lack of your own. You have lost the war and no amount of cuteness will change this.



If that lost war is the Second World War, then we could say that the United States lost it. Britain lost that war too.

Yes the guys in the jackboots and their cronies are gone, many of them dead and the rest went to prison, but their ideals, their goals, still came to fruition. It's no surprise when you look at who was funding Adolf in the 1920s through the 1930s. The same people funded Stalin and ensured the defeat of the White Russians too.

If you think I have some problem with Adolf and Co. losing in their attempt at an official fourth reich, you are trolling me. I am not satisfied with your troll and need to know where I can return the unused portion.




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Whitehound
#26 - 2012-04-17 16:31:51 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
If that lost war is the Second World War, then we could say that the United States lost it. Britain lost that war too. ...

True, the war did cost many lives on all sides. Our generation is lucky never to have seen it. Wars are good to prevent evil and therefore necessary, but they are not funny, nor amusing, nor entertaining.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.

EVE Stig
Doomheim
#27 - 2012-04-18 02:59:33 UTC
whats worse as i heard on Conan, Hitler was in second place, George Washington was in first

"Some say that he is actually dead, but the Grim Reaper is too afraid to tell him." "Some say he is the 3rd member of Daft Punk and he did the vocals of "Technologic" song. All we know is,he's called EVE Stig"!

Flex Mustang
Vodka and Vice
#28 - 2012-04-18 14:09:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Flex Mustang
Lord Dravius
Doomheim
#29 - 2012-04-19 19:59:19 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
So people who have more than the usual comic book version of history know George Washington as quite a bastard really and not just for the British.

Well, considering that he's technically a terrorist that's not surprising.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#30 - 2012-04-19 20:03:22 UTC
Lord Dravius wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
So people who have more than the usual comic book version of history know George Washington as quite a bastard really and not just for the British.

Well, considering that he's technically a terrorist that's not surprising.


More like rebel scum.
2bhammered
Cyberpunk 2077
#31 - 2012-04-20 07:38:34 UTC
Hitler was an idiot. Terrible commander in chief like George Washington but both were great politicians. George were a better leader though, no doubt about that. No Hitler was really stupid and if he was not all of Europe could have been Germany now and no one would really object to it. But if he was not an idiotic psychopath to begin with he would probably never start a war in the first place, paradox!

I guess George had a better "cause" to fight for, that cause would have been fought over even if George did not exist?! So point I am making is, if not for Hitler Germany might never have started WW2 but with or without George I am sure England would have lost their colony eventually as they did with all their colonies, at least bigger ones.
Astenion
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2012-04-24 00:03:28 UTC
I never said the Roman Empire was the largest, just arguing baltec's seemingly infallible view of anything and everything English. I am, however, arguing that the Romans made a much bigger impact and contributed much more to what we have today, judging by just how long ago it was that they made these feats that were nothing short of miraculous at the time...feats that are still relevant today.

Sure, the British Empire brought a sort of civility to many parts of the world and should be commended as such, but they didn't exactly invent the wheel...they just made everyone else's wheels more like British wheels.

Personally, I'm much more thankful for a government in which its leaders are elected than tea and punctuality. And terrible eating habits. And an inability to let go of a 200 year old grudge in which no one really cares apart from them.

The rampant anti-Americanism in England is pure, unadulterated hypocrisy. They don't despise Americans because we're loud, obnoxious, and stupid...there are plenty of those people everywhere. They don't despise Americans because of America's imperialistic tendencies through its military and foreign policies, either. They despise America because they feel England should be leading the charge with its own imperialist foreign policies, and feel they have somehow been usurped by "those savages from the colonies". Everyone should be more like the English in their mind. Ironically, Americans feel the same way about America. Thank the gods the rest of the world isn't like either.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#33 - 2012-04-24 00:06:45 UTC
Astenion wrote:
I never said the Roman Empire was the largest, just arguing baltec's seemingly infallible view of anything and everything English. I am, however, arguing that the Romans made a much bigger impact and contributed much more to what we have today, judging by just how long ago it was that they made these feats that were nothing short of miraculous at the time...feats that are still relevant today.

Sure, the British Empire brought a sort of civility to many parts of the world and should be commended as such, but they didn't exactly invent the wheel...they just made everyone else's wheels more like British wheels.

Personally, I'm much more thankful for a government in which its leaders are elected than tea and punctuality. And terrible eating habits. And an inability to let go of a 200 year old grudge in which no one really cares apart from them.

The rampant anti-Americanism in England is pure, unadulterated hypocrisy. They don't despise Americans because we're loud, obnoxious, and stupid...there are plenty of those people everywhere. They don't despise Americans because of America's imperialistic tendencies through its military and foreign policies, either. They despise America because they feel England should be leading the charge with its own imperialist foreign policies, and feel they have somehow been usurped by "those savages from the colonies". Everyone should be more like the English in their mind. Ironically, Americans feel the same way about America. Thank the gods the rest of the world isn't like either.




Would they say that the way we do things is simply "not Cricket"?

Sorry. Can't help it sometimes.

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Astenion
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2012-04-24 00:28:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Astenion
You have to admire their disdain, not just for everyone else, but even themselves. They're nothing if not consistent.

I'll still take that over the flag-waving morons in the states. The English are some of the coolest, most intelligent, funniest, hilariously witty and most civil people I've ever met. The bad side is that they're also the most arrogant, belittling, smug pricks I've ever met as well. They're still trying to use the word "yank" as a derogatory term, as if we didn't think of it as a term of endearment.

Most Americans are too stupid to even pick up on their snide and sniveling loosely-veiled insults towards Americans, which just makes the ones who are pricks that much more endearing to me. Americans typically love the English and find them charming, even while they're being told what fat, dumb, wastes of oxygen they are in ways the average American doesn't even pick up on. It's really mean and spiteful, but goddamn is it funny.

I always tell them, "Yes, we know you're better than us at just about everything, and that everything we have we owe directly to you for birthing us, and that we should all try to be more like you, and that we should all be grateful to you, just like how Americans think the rest of the world should be grateful to America." The look on their faces when they realize their attitude is parallel to the idiot American attitude is priceless, AND how an American has pointed it out to them is even more priceless.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#35 - 2012-04-24 00:37:37 UTC
The British do tend to make fun of themselves a lot, and are quite good at it.

There are a lot of Americans fighting stupidity on the home front and they are in fact starting to win. Though I fear the people who have led the stupid for so long are going to get creative given the power and money (what's left of the money) they could lose.

Just recently a friend of mine caused one of the most notoriously corrupt political hacks to have a public breakdown and may have broken the back of the establishment control in the region but this raises the threat footprint of people who are otherwise easy targets. Keeps me up at night given the history of "long knives tactics" and what happens when "a" Reichstag burns down.

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Telegram Sam
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2012-04-24 18:25:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Telegram Sam
Britain gave America slavery - Bad
American kept slavery a long time - Bad
American descendents of slaves created the blues - Good
The blues created rock and roll and Elvis - Good
Britain imported rock and roll and gave the world The Beatles - Good
America imported The Beatles and created Jimi Hendrix, the Doors, The Grateful Dead, Janis Joplin, Zappa - Good
Britain took it up a notch with Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, Pink Floyd - Good
America and Britain simultaneously created disco and commercial soft pop/rock- Bad
Britain spawned The Sex Pistols destroyed disco and soft rock, and saved the world - We all win!

Forget the politicians, this is the real meaning of the U.S.-U.K. "special relationship."
P
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#37 - 2012-04-24 19:00:37 UTC
Telegram Sam wrote:
Britain gave America slavery - Bad
American kept slavery a long time - Bad
American descendents of slaves created the blues - Good
The blues created rock and roll and Elvis - Good
Britain imported rock and roll and gave the world The Beatles - Good
America imported The Beatles and created Jimi Hendrix, the Doors, The Grateful Dead, Janis Joplin, Zappa - Good
Britain took it up a notch with Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, Pink Floyd - Good
America and Britain simultaneously created disco and commercial soft pop/rock- Bad
Britain spawned The Sex Pistols destroyed disco and soft rock, and saved the world - We all win!

Forget the politicians, this is the real meaning of the U.S.-U.K. "special relationship."
P


One cannot argue with this logic.
Hallen Ambramotte
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2012-04-24 19:14:23 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
George Washington: Britain's Greatest Foe


If it's any condolence, everything that the colonists fought for was lost in 1789 when the Articles of Confederation were replaced by land speculators. The new document is known as the Constitution. It's first affect was the Whiskey Rebellion.

Ironically, the event that was the first nail in the coffin was personally led by.......... George Washington. He presided over squashing what was an expected outcome to the Constitution.

So people who have more than the usual comic book version of history know George Washington as quite a bastard really and not just for the British.



Notice how it said nothing about him being a bad person, only about him being a great military leader.

He says "You've already had breakfast." I ask "But what about second breakfast?"

Astenion
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2012-04-25 00:23:06 UTC
Up until 1995, mainstream music from both countries was great. Since then it's all been utter tripe on both sides of the Atlantic; not a single mainstream recording artist since then has done anything remotely interesting without completely aping earlier bands.

Underground is another story, and being a huuuuuuuuuuuuge fan of doom, England is where it's at...especially mid-90's doom like Anathema, Cathedral, and My Dying Bride. Let's not forget the almighty Carcass, either.

Then you have Radiohead, Fields of the Nephilim, newer Anathema, Antimatter, Porcupine Tree, etc. The English make the most beautiful sad music, whereas in the US bands tend to make more visceral, smacked-with-reality awesome music...and both are equally amazing. For my inner turmoil boiling over, I have The Silent Enigma from Anathema. For the seething and self-loathing, I have Dirt by Alice in Chains.

Music is the one undeniable factor in both countries in which you simply cannot argue for one or the other; every single band quite literally wouldn't exist without the predecessor of the opposite country.

Obsidian Dagger
Nitrus Nine
#40 - 2012-04-25 12:00:23 UTC
The only solution is to bombard England from orbit. With nice clean rocks, no nukes, that way we Scots can use whats left of England as a rubbish dump and quarry.



We are also well armed with Gingers. Do not make us use them.
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