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So I heard about this lock-breaker module at fanfest and have been thinking about it in detail-ish so the idea behind this is trying to break up large blobby fights.

So here is my idea scrap the module and add it as a mechanic that a ship cannot be locked by more then 40 or so ships this would stop 2000 man fleets saying primary this and shoot and would break into lots of small gang engagements. So here are the key points of how id think it would work

-This rule would only apply to sub capital ships

-Locks from within your fleet don’t count in the 40 total

-Lock total at 40+ would allow small gangs to all get on a mail if it isn’t a huge fleet

-The target painter would be changed to also allow +1 lock on a target making it
far more useful as E-WAR

Now I'm sure there are things I have not thought of and I'm sure there are exploits would be nice if anyone could point out the problems and fill in the gaps if possible, but I hope this would make the game far more tactical and interesting.

looking forward to all your raging

I really don't understand what point your trying to make drake, but no I don’t hate blobs I would just like to see battle a little more complex and diverse rather then parking up and shooting at each other with 2000 maelstroms you still have huge fleets they just couldn’t all shoot the same thing making it more chaotic and opening up new avenues of combat tactics, I would hope at least anyway

Id just like to add that even if this isn’t the way to do it all I'm trying to achieve with this idea is smaller engagements within the two opposing large fleets everyone knows small gang fights are more fun and if we could split these larger fights into several smaller fights id think that would be a change for the better.

By that logic (ignoring the OP) it would DECREASE snesor lock on time.

Glare only means its more visible..harder to ignore....maybe harder to target other ships in the background but even then thats reaching.

Likening to get a few hundred people to get laser pointers out and paint one target....how would that make it harder to find it? More like bloody easy at that rate.

I get what your talking about and the idea...but CCP themselves have made it VERY clear at fanfest.

They want thousands of players fighting it out in one space....not dozens.

I don't know if you've been in fleet fights... but its not uncommon to have 10+ logistics ships to rep up people....

The biggest reason you see large groups of ships primarying 1 target, is they need to focus fire to overcome logistics....

Anything that limits how much you can focus fire, needs to also limit how much logistics a ship can receive too....


Sensor glare is a fairly neat idea.... IMO, to balance it, the ship getting locked by everything should also receive the glare penalty....

Now, if your fleet mates all lock up some logis to prevent it from being primaried, that logi becomes less effective at locking other ships too...

Leave EWAR immune ships immune to sensor glare.... (i.e. triage carriers)

The only way this could be taken advantage of, is everyone might lock the fleet booster.... But I don't think this would be OP or even all that problematic...

Stop trying to take sand out of the box. Some of us happen to like large fights.

Also, post with your main.

npc corp poster gives his valuable input on large scale nullsec fights.

http://elibishop.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Glare.jpg

That's the kind of glare I'm envisioning. We're not talking about something being well-lit, we're talking about it having so much light shone on it that it dazzles the sensors and appears larger than it really is, causing the computer to calculate shots that miss when it looks like they would hit.


This isn't about reducing the number of ships on the field. This is about fleet tactics that go beyond "orbit anchor, shoot primary". CCP's vision of Eve combat as portrayed in every trailer they show is the chaotic "shoot everything at once" fleet fights of sci fi cinema. By creating a form of stacking penalty, this might encourage more of that style of combat. I guess it really depends on what CCP really intends for combat in Eve to look like.

Because grids make any sort of sense at all. Or fluid space. Or capacitor warfare.

I'm suggesting a mechanic that would achieve a specific effect, and then making a pseudotechnical explanation for it so that CCP can explain it in the game lore. Since when do we expect Eve to make perfect sense?

(also, who ever said fleet ships share information? I've seen no evidence of this)

No argument there. And there would be ways to counter the effect, specifically pointing a half dozen target painters at the primary

There are two things I'd like to see change in large fleet warfare: homogenous fleet compositions, and primary volleys. Every fleet fight I've observed in the past six months has been fought the same way: Bring lots of the same ship, and shoot one enemy at a time. I want to see Eve become more rewarding for creative players and unique strategies.

@WJ... you need to think outside the box more....

What's to stop a 200 man fleet will split into 2x 100man fleets and then locking up the friendly logistics in your neighboring fleet, or any other mission-critical ships they want to protect.... You're suggestion would be very much broken and abused....

@Floppie

The sig reduction per offensive module is the start of a nice idea... It's small enough that shooting your fleetmate with 100 extra gattling guns isn't worth the effort. It also scales nicely when looking at similar sized ships... However, I fear there is a big discrepency between BS weapons and cruiser sized weapons.... Basically, the 125m sig radius of medium guns means damage reduction won't be felt on BS's until you reach the 100+ ships category, whereas the 400m sig radius of large guns means the damage reduction is significantly felt when you surpass 25 ships.. Essentially, BS fleets will not only lose to AHACs, but will lose very badly to BC fleets too. Additionally, significantly webbing a target will negate the sig radius penalties, and if the target is MWDing, sig radius effects cease to matter, too... Finally, the sig radius penalty is so small, that it would not alter logistics in any way.... their lock times might increase by 1-3s... but the incoming dps is substantially reduced... meaning it becomes much harder to actually kill targets...

IMO, this change would put AHACs and Tengu fleets as the most potent fleets, and almost nullify BS fleets.