Market Discussions

I could whip up an excel sheet for you, for a nominal fee

The post above me is false on all accounts.

In MD just now there's a guy making a blog about his trading career how he made 5000 isk in to 1 billion isk in 4 weeks, and will only scale up.

There are margins, there are lots and lots of fabulous profits to be made, but you need some wits.

I think what the OP was getting at is often times finished products seem to be worth less than there component parts.

This does happen but is generally the result of one of two things

Bulk ore can sometimes be worth more than the minerals it contains. The primary reason for this is logistics. Refining the ore into minerals drastically reduces the volume you need to haul. In systems where there is no access to 50% facilities ore is often sold unprocessed, although generally if you can refine at 100% there is a little profit to be made.

The biggest place where this discrepancy is seen is in PI mats. Generally the P1 is worth significantly more than the P2 and P3 that you would make from it. However producing P2 and P3 drastically reduces the volume you need to move. Do you move 50 million isk worth of P1 needing 10 trips or do you make the P3 and move 40 million isk in 1 trip. Logistics is a big factor

The other scenario is what has been seen a lot lately. With a rapid rise in mineral prices there are many items on the market that were manufactured with minerals bought when the prices where much lower. As the mineral prices rise, some minerals rising hundreds of isk in very short amounts of time, products existing on the market can become worth less than there base mineral value as a direct result of the rising mineral prices.

You have to be very fast to take advantage of this as many of the trader tycoons manipulate the mineral prices for just this purpose. For example not long ago a freighter was around 800 million isk now they are well over 1 billion isk. Since they are made completely from minerals in huge volumes a rapid rise in the price of one of those minerals can very quickly put the mineral value of that ship higher than its sell price. Anyone with perfect reprocessing skills and enough isk could buy up all the ships on market as the mineral price rises past that point. The manufacturers selling the ships are never as quick to update prices as the traders trading the minerals

I am sure there are many dreads and carriers for sale in null that are well below current Jita mineral prices. The problem is getting those minerals to market when you find those ships.

math=answer

searching=answer

asking questions=smacktalk and attention, 2 things u dont want unless u are trollin

Honestly. Any item can have More or less value based on how much you are willing to spend on it, and if people are willing to trust your new price. I can make a pretty decent amount of isk on a finnished product way more that the refined cost if you was to melt it down. Math aside. If you are trading an item Just play in between the margins. Dont worry to much on get rich quick put in some legwork. Speculate. and do more than someone else is willing to go. That gets you rich.

No, this post is absolute rubbish.
If you could flip a billion on 5000 ISK in a month like turning on a tap every Tom, **** and Harry in EVE would be a trillionaire, Plex would cost 9 figure and a Battleship woul go for a billion ISK.

The fact that some guy "wrote a blog" about it just screams scam.

As for raw and finished buy orders drag down averages. You really need to look at the actual ingame market to see what stuff actually sells for. Add to that with the manipulations going on right now, yes there are in fact alot of things available above reproc because they are priced on an outdated market rate. If you happen on such an order, buy it. It's really that simple.

I disagree with almost everything mars wrote:

"Fact is the markets are so centralized that you've got thousands or even tens of thousands of people all doing the same thing you are doing. It doesn't matter what you think of, there is somebody else out there doing it, and probably doing a 100 other things as well."

-false? the markets aren't centralized at all.

"This is why I never got into trading much. When I can literally place a sell order and watch it get beat in 45 seconds or less on a specific item, then watch someone else beat that, and modify the order yet again and see the same thing happen it's not worth it. Of course, that was back in the days when Market bots were more prolific I think, where they are not as bad now."

- Yes bots have left, And yes people will outbid you, But most people agree that trading is the "best" and "Easiest" form of making ISK.
many people got their first billion from trading.

"it's a lovely system, and quite demanding on your time if you really want to get into it. Market research is pointless in many respects because it fluctuates and changes all the time or just sits stale and doesn't move. A quick check can tell you one way or another what to expect, but doesn't guarantee any long term projections either. "

-Market research is key, especially when it moves rapidly. If you don't benefit from it you're doing it wrong.


Sometime market speculation is entirely player driven and manipulated as I believe is the current case with minerals. They are not going to continue to go up. They are going to drop through the floor and leave a lot of people with some very pricy stock in storage. Yet, how can they sell now, when the price is so high? Not likely to happen is it, but the people driving it are likely already flush and haven't got a stitch of stock having already dropped it into late speculators hands.

-False, While the price is driven by speculations, the speculations have alot to do with what prices will be like when the expansion and changes hit. Why do you think zydrine is at 1700 and not 3K per unit? even though most people that know anything predict it will cross the 2.5K(just like the pre-drone era).

Prices are not going to fall through the floor, if anything we'll see a slight hiccup in the upward trend, and then the new expansions will hit, increasing the demand pressure on the market.