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Dominix/Ishtar for Sleepers?
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Nissan Truck
Abrasive Industries
#1 - 2012-04-18 19:49:02 UTC
A lot of people have said it doesnt work, but I have heard a few people say that they make it work with smaller wormholes.

Anybody have experience using the Dominix or Ishtar on sleepers?


Thanks
Orlacc
#2 - 2012-04-18 19:55:07 UTC
For solo work drones get killed fast by Sleepers.

"Measure Twice, Cut Once."
Nissan Truck
Abrasive Industries
#3 - 2012-04-18 19:59:45 UTC
Even Sentry Drones with a remote rep?
notha atfast
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
#4 - 2012-04-18 20:11:31 UTC
Something I have noticed ... is that if you have two ships at a sleeper site the sleepers stop targeting the drones. But if you only have 1 ship they rotate between you and your drones. May want to test that observation out...but a 2nd ship that's a drone boat would be nice as long as the drones are not getting aggressed.
Nissan Truck
Abrasive Industries
#5 - 2012-04-18 20:16:11 UTC
I see, I just have a ridiculous love for the domi, It would be sweet if it worked for sleepers because sleepers sound badass
. lol
Alexa Coates
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-04-18 20:21:31 UTC
Pretty much your drones will be slaughtered, so your domi/ishtar will be only useful for tank. I know, i've tried them both.

That's a Templar, an Amarr fighter used by carriers.
Nissan Truck
Abrasive Industries
#7 - 2012-04-18 20:32:07 UTC
Alexa Coates wrote:
Pretty much your drones will be slaughtered, so your domi/ishtar will be only useful for tank. I know, i've tried them both.


Even Sentry Drones? you have used sentry drones in sleepers and they dont work?
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-04-18 20:53:51 UTC
They are annoying as hell. And yea I love me my drones. It is true that with more than one pilot the drones get targetted far less. but sentries won't hit the sleeper frigs at all. They even have a tough time tracking the cruisers.

Honestly I've had better luck with a blaster boat killing sleepers in lower class WH's than drone boats. Even then it is a lesson in frustration.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#9 - 2012-04-18 20:55:54 UTC
notha atfast wrote:
Something I have noticed ... is that if you have two ships at a sleeper site the sleepers stop targeting the drones. But if you only have 1 ship they rotate between you and your drones. May want to test that observation out...but a 2nd ship that's a drone boat would be nice as long as the drones are not getting aggressed.


Sleepers do target drones even with two ships on field, but not if the ships use remote repair/cap transfer.

Sentry drones are fast to scoop and have lots of HP, and it's hard to lose them even alone. Medium drones are tricky to use, and you shouldn't let them far away. Anyway losing drones is not a huge issue with drone boat drone bays, but having to recall them constantly makes clearing the site a bit slower.

Remote repping drones during combat is a bit challenging with local active tank for cap reasons, and because it takes a while to lock them and you need to rep them until the sleepers let go or you pop the sleepers. Doable, but quite a hassle.

C1-2 anomalies are soloable in a Myrmidon so Domi and Ishtar will do them just fine (Domi can't get into C1s), but I'm afraid that is the end of the road for efficient wh soloing in Gallente ships. Ishtar can't handle C3s because of the uneven resist profile and sleeper webbing, pimped Domi might just do it, I'm about the test it soon.

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Lili Lu
#10 - 2012-04-18 22:37:27 UTC
CCP in creating sleepers (well pretty much all pve) - What? You don't passive shield tank? You don't use Heavy missiles? You're not a Drake Tengu pilot? Fail.Lol
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#11 - 2012-04-18 23:09:13 UTC
Drones work fine in wormholes:
- C1, never done any C1 content.
- C2, Drake/Sleipnir. They are almost never targeted unless you aren't doing damage. You have quite some time to scoop the drones before they pop.
- C3, Sleipnir, Tempest. Drones are almost never targeted, but if they do you may not be able to scoop them (depending on how far out they are).
- C4, Sleipnir, Tempest. Drones weren't ever targeted when I ran C4s.
- C5, Domi, Mega, Tempest. Drones were used as RR and we as a group lost only 1-2 drones per site. I was able to scoop T1 sentries before they died, but you had to be on top of it. T2s would work better I think.
I've found that the times my drones get aggro is when the people aren't dealing damage. If they're your sole source of damage, they will certainly get shot. It feels like the drones are calculated as threat sources individually.
- C6, never done any C6 content.

It feels like the sleepers calculate threat from each drone individually... so if you don't have anyone RRing or shooting, drones are a likely target. They occasionally get shot Just Because(tm) and in C2/C3 content I tended to lose about 1 drone per day.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
#12 - 2012-04-18 23:14:10 UTC
Lili Lu wrote:
CCP in creating sleepers (well pretty much all pve) - What? You don't passive shield tank? You don't use Heavy missiles? You're not a Drake Tengu pilot? Fail.Lol


Amarr isn't bad for C1/C2. I believe the Neut spam starts at C3.
drdxie
#13 - 2012-04-19 00:41:40 UTC
I have never lost any drones in a C3 or C4.. You just need to keep an eye on them, when they start taking damage.. bring them all back till you, or fleet mate, are the target again(easy to see who is taking damage in watch list). Sentry's are even easier as you can scoop then quickly. I put my drone window next to my dscan, that way I can see them easy enough cause you should be spamming dscan in a wh Blink

Caldari Loving needed.. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1608277&#post1608277
Kaikka Carel
Ziea
#14 - 2012-04-19 03:17:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaikka Carel
[Ishtar, Ishtar Stupid Shield Tank]

Medium Nosferatu II
Drone Link Augmentor I
[Empty High slot]
[Empty High slot]
[Empty High slot]

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
EM Ward Amplifier II
Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I

Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I

^ This solo tanks 2 BS and 4 Cruisers spawn in C3. BUT they web and eat your drones so I gave up the idea of soloing in a droneboat.

And to the guy whos says he never lost drones.. Upholders will orbit at 30+ km and when they decide to attack drones they will web them which is pretty much death for your little servants.
Nemo deBlanc
Resource Acquisition Unlimited
#15 - 2012-04-19 04:58:55 UTC
Lili Lu wrote:
CCP in creating sleepers (well pretty much all pve) - What? You don't passive shield tank? You don't use Heavy missiles? You're not a Drake Tengu pilot? Fail.Lol


Tbh, Tengu is barely passing grade for wh's. They're the popular solution, not the best one.
Marsan
#16 - 2012-04-19 06:37:52 UTC
As people have said sleepers tend to eat drones for breakfast. That said I've used drones a lot in the past in wormholes. The thing I find is:

1) If you have one ship in the site they'll target your drones a lot. When you hit 3-4 ships they rarely target drones.

2) Pull your drones in between waves, and let people get agro on a new wave 1st.

3) Bring lots of drones they are cheap and sleeper loot sells well.

4) Heavy drones are useless against most sleepers including BS unless you target paint them. Sentry drones are useful, but need target painting as well. As long as you orbit your drones sentries have the advantage of being faster to recall than heavy drones. Keep some small drone for the annoying frigates, but realize you'll need web or a painter for them.

Former forum cheerleader CCP, now just a grumpy small portion of the community.
Vihura
Vihura Cor
#17 - 2012-04-19 10:41:34 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
Drones work fine in wormholes:
- C1, never done any C1 content.
- C2, Drake/Sleipnir. They are almost never targeted unless you aren't doing damage. You have quite some time to scoop the drones before they pop.
- C3, Sleipnir, Tempest. Drones are almost never targeted, but if they do you may not be able to scoop them (depending on how far out they are).
- C4, Sleipnir, Tempest. Drones weren't ever targeted when I ran C4s.
- C5, Domi, Mega, Tempest. Drones were used as RR and we as a group lost only 1-2 drones per site. I was able to scoop T1 sentries before they died, but you had to be on top of it. T2s would work better I think.
I've found that the times my drones get aggro is when the people aren't dealing damage. If they're your sole source of damage, they will certainly get shot. It feels like the drones are calculated as threat sources individually.
- C6, never done any C6 content.

It feels like the sleepers calculate threat from each drone individually... so if you don't have anyone RRing or shooting, drones are a likely target. They occasionally get shot Just Because(tm) and in C2/C3 content I tended to lose about 1 drone per day.

-Liang

This. I use passive gila in c3, no problem