Science & Industry

Kind of a repost from the market discussion forum as I am not sure which of these two threads it would be appropriate in.

Kind of a random question to you guys. I have a few friends I am getting into eve for the first time and they want to take a shot at the industry side, starting with mining as a group especially with the higher mineral prices these days. In the past when I have hosted group mining ops it has always been a pain to figure out exactly how to pay each person for their share of the mining. I was wondering if anyone who has done this before could share their methods for doing payouts or even how they manage their own group mining ops.

Okay so that isn't any easier than what I had been doing but much better record keeping. Once I get the spreadsheet setup should work better just more paperwork...weee :D

Thanks for the feedback.

Divide total profit by number of players/ships.

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need."

Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_each_according_to_his_ability,_to_each_according_to_his_need
In theory it's a good idea........

This It becomes problematic for small corps that might have pilots in mining frigates mining with people in cruisers and hulks.

For our corp we are not picky about tracking things exactly. In our wormhole we just tally shares in the "Ore Pool" as people mine. Every 15 minutes of actively contributing (mining/hauling/protection/whatever) is 1 share, tracked in a forum thread. Then whenever we refine and sell the Ore Pool we distribute the ISK based on the accumulated shares.

We don't care what you're flying or what your m3/hr is to encourage people to join in. For our purposes, we also only count involvement per human, so ORCA alts and/or multiple mining accounts just help the group profit more as a whole.

The casual system works for us because we're a small group and generally all like each other , so we don't have to worry about people attempting to "game" the system.

I have a simple way of ding things in UV Heavy. Each miner is resposable for his own ore/minerals. The corp buys both and prices are posted in the corp bulletins. Then when the miner whishes to sell to the corp they contract the ore/minerals to the corp at the prices posted x quantity and the corp accepts the contract. During group ops everyone gets an equal share so mineral/ore value is determined then payouts done.

simple and effecient

There are proabably as many ways to do it as there are industrial players out there. :P

We like to be accurate but not *too* accurate. We work on a share over time system, where each participant gets paid a share depending on how long they were participating.

Were you there for the full duration of the op? Then you get a full share. You could only make it for half the op? Then you get half a share.

All the ore gets refined at the end of the operation and you have the choice to take your pay in minerals or isk.

All miners get paid the same regardless of the ship type (with the exception of Osprey pilots, who only get a half share, and frigate pilots who, if they choose to participate, don't get paid). Yes, this means the retriever pilot picks the pocket of the Hulk pilot, but the logic behind that is thus: Hulk pilots already own a Hulk, while Retriever pilots still need a Hulk. Therefore it's in everyone's best interests to kick a bit of extra isk to the Retriever pilots. The sooner they get a Hulk, the sooner everyone makes more money.

when i first started the game i found a post on the old forums about a public mining op. 2 guys with an orca and an itty V were basically "buying" jetcans full of ore.

fairly simple, the orca jumped in to a belt and turned on the mining bonuses, every one warped to the orca and started munching rocks and put them in their own jetcan labled with their name.
when the can was full the orca would tractor it to him and the itty V would warp in, scoop it up, and give isk to the player who's jet can it was.

crude, simple, and for a new player it was a god send.

who gained what?
well, for the miners they gained orca bonuses and they didn't have to haul any thing themselves. that was a HUGE plus for a new player like me without a 2nd account.

what was in it for them?
well, they were paying by the m3, (fixed price per can regardless of what ore was in it). they were paying below market price in terms of m3, so they got cheap minerals when they refined it all.

i could have got more isk/m3 mining solo, but due to orca bonuses and not having to haul... my isk/hour was higher. not to mention as a new player meeting new people was also a huge thing. the guys running the op also offered things like replacing t1 crystals if ours broke, and since they produced stuff with the minerals i got my first hulk for 130m (they were 200m at the time) which for a new player saving 70mil isk was also great.

Thought I posted to this thread the other day. Guess it didn't stick.


I wanted to add that using the loot history to track mining is easy to exploit and should only be used if you have no other option.

For example. Player jet cans 10,001 ore. Player than takes 10,000 ore from jet can. Player finally puts 10,000 ore back in jetcan. According to the loot log, this player just looted 20,001 ore (when in fact it was only 10,001). This isn't so much of a problem if its just you and your friends, but when you have 10+ hulks at any one time and or run a mining op that goes on 10 - 20 hours and you have several billion isk worth of ore, it can be very easy for one or two members to exploit this.


If you plan to use the loot history prior to leaving the belt to dump at station save the loot log and clear it, and write down what amounts you are currently loading to station. This way you will have a log for each load brought to station and can compare to what the yield was. Once back in belt and boosting you can then compare what was in the orca vs what was reported in the loot history.