EVE General Discussion

i believe is pretty obvius missile speed should be doubled and flight time halved for all the missiles so they can be more usefull in pvp, i have had a vagabond outrun my heavy missiles from 10kms with maxed missile skills.

also just for people who seem not to notice, missiles are not affected by transversal, they are affected by raw speed no matter the direction, whcih means you can just fly straigh towards your poor missile flinging target and face **** it with your turrets, of any flavor you want.

as well i agree about precision weapons adn javelin variants lacking. but what i think are the true offenders, are the penalties from all the t2 missile variants, a drake for example just by fitting t2 launchers, without any other module, not even shields, gets a signature of 450m while its normal signature is 285, thats almost twice the original signature, we are talking about a 100% penalty, and with javelins you get your speed cut almost in hallf, which is just dumb. and at the same time they get explosion and exp speed penalties making them harder to apply said damage.


while t2 turret penalty is always capacitor use or tracking and range, that only means you have to focus more on how to deal that damage to your enemy. and this penalties are at most 25% and wont kill your ship, but with missiles you have to focus on not to get killed by your own self huge penalty and then also find a way to apply your damage, torps are a good example, with a 600m explosion radius, hitting anything smaller than a standing still station is pretty much worthless.

Thats an example of missile neglect.
It was that way for all T2 ammo. Gleams with Beams used to put an Apoc up there with a Rev in sig rad because as you pointed out, it stacks. The only T2 ammo that didnt have the penalty removed was missile.

Money talks. When I see Arbalest Torp and cruise going for 2 mill like all the other Meta 4 I will know CCP have looked at missiles. Untill then, they are a Caldari liability, just like Drones are a Gallente liability.

Missiles aren't that broken by themselves, it's a combination of them being a little lackluster in some aspects, but then being put on hulls that are pure **** that make them as useless as they are.

People always say 'Heavies and HAMs are fine' probably only because the hulls that use them are excellent.

Rockets NEED at least 1 web to do decent damage and 2 to do full damage on its intended targets, which is pretty bad. As mentioned, ridiculous fitting on standards. AMLs are decent but very niche. Heavies I'd say are the best as they have decent damage but insane range, HAMs are also pretty good, but I would say still not up to par due to lackluster T2 ammo/damage. Torps are easily the worst and can probably be speed tanked by a trimarked Domi with no prop mod, and the Raven is also quite meh which just makes it worse, Cruise missiles have no use in PvP but they are pretty good in PvE, so there's that...but that's it.

Overall, I would say missiles need some love, but not too much or they might be overpowered. What I'd like to see is more focus on the hulls, maybe, get rid of the range bonuses for explosion velocity/signature radius bonuses and just leave the range of the missiles as is, and remove the penalty from the T2 range ammo. Seems a decent trade-off.

No, that would be broken, too effective against drones, torpedoes where like that, it was not good.

also think of the poor blobs :(

This.

While we are fixing things that aren't broken can I please get a tummy rub?

Thanks.

I'm still trying to hit at 100km+ with my rails Deimos for at least 30% dmg I can do with a Cerberus, but you're right, missiles don't always hit for 100% dmg.

Long reloads, damage takes time to be applied to target, low amount of ammo in a launcher, ect...
Missiles are nerfed enough already. They are in need of a major buff imo.

For those of you saying that T2 precision ammo is broken I'm calling you out because a drake that's shooting a frigate (in this case a slicer) going over 4km/s has no problem killing it within a few volleys. In order for the frig to out run the missile it has to over heat and burn away, thus breaking point and If said frigate (goes for just about all frigates) wants to kill you it has to get back in range and brave your precision ammo that does more then enough damage to decimate any frigate except maybe interceptors (haven't tested interceptor vs drake yet)

Unfortunately it's an argument based entirely upon "pretty patterns of numbers", rather than on any consideration of balance. The silly thing is that you can construct an argument that torp range should be increased based on balance considerations (although I feel that fiddling with the Raven would be more appropriate), but you're not doing this!

Precision ammo - yes, the very limited utility of Precisions has long been mostly covered up by the reasonable effectiveness of normal ammo against small fast stuff. In general, people are happy enough this with, but stating that Precisions are largely worthless still holds true. There's also a fundamental problem in that we don't want large missiles to be too good at killing small stuff, which is why I'd be tempted to remove Precisions altogether and replace them with a new T2 ammo system.