EVE General Discussion

Anyone ever tell you that your Avatar looks like Odo from DS9?

One intelligent reply in a galaxy if ignorance.

As somebody who is fairly new to the game (my main account is about 45 days old), here are the reasons I think the game isn't more successful:

1) Not heavily advertised

2) Extremely steep learning curve (I spent hours and hours digesting information on the web.. a lot of people don't have that type of patience.. or they just spam the general help channel with questions and get angry when people don't respond to them.)

3) High-sec Griefing: You run into some griefers very early in the game and are told that nothing can be done about it (for example, I did the newbie quests, then ran the sisters of eve quests.. when I was doing the dagan quest, some guy tracked me down, killed dagan, looted it, and then tried to sell it to me for 100 million ISK - when I barely had 20 mil to my name). I had only been playing the game for about 2 weeks at that point, and if I didn't come from a fairly hardcore gaming background (e.g., if I was a younger gamer), I probably would've quit and never come back. I still can't continue that epic chain because the quest doesn't reset and you can't find Dagan's for sale. Eve encourages griefing, and most players don't like that. A lot of players like open and engaging PVP, but not griefing. If this game didn't allow griefing in high-sec, I would think that subscription numbers would be significantly higher than they are now. But at the same time, being free from worry about attack in high-sec would entirely change the concept of Eve (never safe from attack) and how it functions. I'd like to think there's a balance somewhere in there, but I haven't played long enough to come up with any great ideas. FWIW, I don't think high-sec griefing should be removed entirely.. but I just feel like there's something that could be done to restrict when/where it can be done and to be a little more forgiving for newer players or even carebears (who fill a necessary role in the game).

4) The inability to train more than one character on an account at a time. Just a money grab. And being able to train all three characters at once would allow newer players to achieve functionally useful skill templates earlier in time (e.g., I could train up a logi, a dps and an exploration character all at the same time and then switch between what I need).

5) Perceived gap between veterans and new players in terms of ability to be of value or to have any chance of winning in PVP. A fully trained PVP griefer in his destroyer who ninja salvages and loots in the hopes of being attacked by a lvl 2 mission running noob is going to wipe the noob regardless of the ship the noob is flying.

6) The UI - I tried to get a buddy of mine to join me in this game a few weeks ago. He's a big PVP'er in pretty much every game he's played and he's into the spreadsheet/calculation/market games as well, so I figured he'd love this game. Instead, he logged on for about 30 minutes and then emailed me that he was going to play LoL because the UI on this game was so horrible. I've tried to get him to give it more time, but haven't had any luck. Given that he would love this game if he got into it, it's pretty sad that potential customers like this are being chased away by a bad UI (I'm not sure why he disliked it so much.. it can be fairly unresponsive at times, though).

If you need it explained you are in danger of subbing to WoW. Re-educate yourself immediately.

I agree, he stepped over the line, it was dealt with, move on, We might actually see some good game play come out of the aftermath now.

I don't agree with what he did but it's done and dusted now as far as I can see.

Its not a bad thing... you should name your corp... "The Dominion"

A valid point, but I wanted to use it as a semi-tutorial, so they see all the skills and the game walks them through the selection process explaining various things about skills. But I suppose wanting a working tutorial in Eve is a little silly . So set the skills for them. They start out with Racial Industrial-1, Hull Upgrades-1, Repair Systems-1, Connections-3... and so on.

I say Connections-3 because the only purpose of the Connections skill is to f**** over those without OC disorder who fail to read every single skill description for "Gotchas!". Of course, they'd have to understand the whole mechanics behind Agent Availability in order for the description to make sense.

That is some good design right there.

A niche market isn't necessarily bad. But niche market is niche.

They must have removed that before I started. I had nothing to start with.

Lot of good points here.