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You can only gank once every 15 minutes now?

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Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
#41 - 2012-04-15 18:21:34 UTC
Katja Faith wrote:
Am I the only one that finds it ironic that, after four + years of playing this game, the only whining I ever read about is from the big, bad high-sec gankers? You guys just don't get it: gank all you like, we'll keep playing our game. As you roll thru toon-after-toon with -10 or so, we'll keep mining (I don't mine personally), and building stuff with "free minerals", and playing OUR game.


I just noticed that Hulks cost over 320M ISK now.
Mackinaws are up to 165M.

700 DPS Catalyst that can solo gank a Hulk? 1.5 Million, with 14-15M in recoverable mods.

I'd say things are pretty good. I feel a ganking spree coming on....very soon.
Katja Faith
Doomheim
#42 - 2012-04-15 18:23:02 UTC
Herr Wilkus wrote:
Katja Faith wrote:
Am I the only one that finds it ironic that, after four + years of playing this game, the only whining I ever read about is from the big, bad high-sec gankers? You guys just don't get it: gank all you like, we'll keep playing our game. As you roll thru toon-after-toon with -10 or so, we'll keep mining (I don't mine personally), and building stuff with "free minerals", and playing OUR game.


I just noticed that Hulks cost over 320M ISK now.
Mackinaws are up to 165M.

700 DPS Catalyst that can solo gank a Hulk? 1.5 Million, with 14-15M in recoverable mods.

I'd say things are pretty good. I feel a ganking spree coming on....very soon.


You guys continue to make your runs to low sec to pew rats (something else that doesn't shoot back), and I'll keep making money off you.
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
#43 - 2012-04-15 18:33:45 UTC
Katja Faith wrote:
Herr Wilkus wrote:
Katja Faith wrote:
Am I the only one that finds it ironic that, after four + years of playing this game, the only whining I ever read about is from the big, bad high-sec gankers? You guys just don't get it: gank all you like, we'll keep playing our game. As you roll thru toon-after-toon with -10 or so, we'll keep mining (I don't mine personally), and building stuff with "free minerals", and playing OUR game.


I just noticed that Hulks cost over 320M ISK now.
Mackinaws are up to 165M.

700 DPS Catalyst that can solo gank a Hulk? 1.5 Million, with 14-15M in recoverable mods.

I'd say things are pretty good. I feel a ganking spree coming on....very soon.


You guys continue to make your runs to low sec to pew rats (something else that doesn't shoot back), and I'll keep making money off you.


Bzzzz. Wrong.
Skilled -10 alts don't waste precious game time shooting rats, just butthurt, ignorant miners.

The T2 Salvage pays for all expenses - and insures that miners keep buying the Mackinaws and Hulks we build for them.
Kale Eledar
Venerated Industries
#44 - 2012-04-15 19:08:02 UTC
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/amendment

Come on now; it's not that new of a concept.

it's a shame Eve doesn't have more activities to do than suicide ganking

oh wait

Pretty sure gankers can still gank. Nothing to see here, folks.

First come smiles, then lies. Last is gunfire.

Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#45 - 2012-04-15 22:27:11 UTC
This thread is just an example of "someone moved my cheese" at work.

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St1ngerella
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2012-04-15 23:16:51 UTC
This thread made me giggle.
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#47 - 2012-04-16 11:06:02 UTC
Brusanan wrote:
Helios Black wrote:
Suddenly Boom wrote:
Awesome, so the only way to gank more than 4 times an hour is to have multiple ganking characters. You can't board a ship in space while on global criminal countdown, so orca doesn't work.

What about concord, Is it even possible to get concord out of the belt anymore?


So the "global criminal cooldown" is finally working properly and stopping you from avoiding its repercussions and you're upset?

HAHAHAAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

It's not working. CCP just declared it as an exploit because they can't be bothered to make it work.

Same difference.

We are entertained by the Ganker's Tears. Buncha whiners - worse by far than the Carebears.

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Aggressive Nutmeg
#48 - 2012-04-16 11:53:18 UTC
So much whine, not enough cheese.

Never make eye contact with someone while eating a banana.

ISD LoneLynx
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2012-04-16 13:34:27 UTC
Excessively offensive lexis edited out.

Please don't step beyond the edge.

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Immortis Vexx
Onyx Moon Industries
#50 - 2012-04-16 18:26:57 UTC
This is what happens. We have toooooo many gankers out there and now "the law" has applied the hammer. I've said this before but... when you specifically target one group of people or over-using one particular tactic it starts to look less like random ganking and more like ethnic cleansing. In this case we have too many gankers popping a larger volume of highsec residents. When your pirate activity takes on a higher profile the higher authority will step in to clean up the situation. This isn't 100% the fault of, "Carebear Whining" and you pirates have a part to play in it too. You have gone too far and taken too much rope. Now, you have hung yourselves with it.

CCP's moves have been slow in the progression to this point. That in itself is a testament to their resistance to making highsec wowesque. If you continue on this path (and I am sure that you will) we will end up at that point sooner or later.

Vexx
Five Thirty
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#51 - 2012-04-16 18:51:37 UTC
Suicide ganking is too easy now.

Couple that with a broken investment vs reward system.

CCP took notice.

It is my belief that previously, CCP sanctioned suicide gankers as a part of the 'sandbox' atmosphere in the game, but never intended to let it become so seriously prevalent. If there is not some semblance of security in highsec, what is the point of having it? Not to say that highsec should ever be 'safe', but having more ship kills in Jita than any other system speaks volumes to why changes may be implemented.

Fuujin
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#52 - 2012-04-17 01:41:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Fuujin
Five Thirty wrote:
Suicide ganking is too easy now.

Couple that with a broken investment vs reward system.

CCP took notice.

It is my belief that previously, CCP sanctioned suicide gankers as a part of the 'sandbox' atmosphere in the game, but never intended to let it become so seriously prevalent. If there is not some semblance of security in highsec, what is the point of having it? Not to say that highsec should ever be 'safe', but having more ship kills in Jita than any other system speaks volumes to why changes may be implemented.




Quick question: What do suicide gankers get out of the gank?

If your answer is "profit" you're wrong 70% of the time. When I launch a suicide attack, i lose my ship, my modules, and likely get very little in return--ships with stiff tanks generally require multiple attackers to take down prior to concord intervention, so if you happen to get a good module drop you have to split the isk multiple ways...and even then still don't break even (unless you're using officer modules or something in your tank). Ships without stiff tanks that can be solo'd generally have crap for fits that don't even pay for the guns.

This is consequence-based PvP at its most simplistic: you fly a valuable ship without proper defenses, you should plan on losing it. The victim gets insurance, the attacker does not.
Five Thirty
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#53 - 2012-04-17 03:36:45 UTC
What you mean the suicide gankers that plague trade hubs? You get plenty of profit.

The suicide gankers that only play to make others suffer? Well, your kind should get a lot more than an exploded ship.
Eri Em
#54 - 2012-04-17 17:32:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Eri Em
/popcorn while mining
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#55 - 2012-04-17 18:37:39 UTC
Adunh Slavy wrote:
Used to be if you even undocked in a new ship they blasted you. Gankers got a free ride for a few years.



I was wondering this. Someone I was playing with got the Concord sans loob for trying to "duel" me (dumb WOWbear) and he got into a new ship in a few minutes and undocked with GCC still going and Concord went for sloppy seconds.


So it's possible to undock now but you can't warp? I know about the warp part, but surprised if it's possible to undock with some "help" out of the ship.


Bring back DEEEEP Space!

AureoBroker
Perkone
Caldari State
#56 - 2012-04-17 18:39:40 UTC
Do the mining community a favor and delete the Hulk itself out of existance.
Eryn Velasquez
#57 - 2012-04-17 19:17:50 UTC
Fuujin wrote:

This is consequence-based PvP at its most simplistic: you fly a valuable ship without proper defenses, you should plan on losing it. The victim gets insurance, the attacker does not.


What you`re talking about is PVP like "player versus pinata", a pinata is also unable to punch back.

_“A man's freedom consists in his being able to do whatever he wills, but that he should not, by any human power, be forced to do what is against his will.” ― Jean-Jacques Rousseau _

Megos Adriano
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#58 - 2012-04-17 20:14:07 UTC
Carebears: Mining under fire since 10/2009. Bear

And boom goes the dynamite.

Smodab Ongalot
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#59 - 2012-04-17 23:31:36 UTC
I think this affront to gankers is offensive.

I am actually a huge carebear with 20 mining alts.

Ganking Ice miners was simply a form of "Market PVP".

CCP.... WHY U NERF MARKET??!??!
Arcan Winter
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#60 - 2012-04-18 12:09:27 UTC
Herr Wilkus wrote:


...

What rock did you crawl out from under? Suicide ganking, boomeranging or not - you still lose your ship. The risk of losing it is 100%. Everyone but you knows this.

Since it only took you one sentence to demonstrate the depth of your ignorance - the rest of us can safely ignore anything else you say - until you demonstrate that you actually know something.



hmmm no the risk of losing a gank ship is not 100%, its a fact you will loose it you gank. The risk is a X% means that fall out can differ, you will always have at least 2 possible results (fail/sucess or head/tail). Once only one and only one results exits its not change based anylonge, hence it is not a risk or possibility that something happe. It is a fact.

The ship for a suicide ganking is nothing more than the ammo for a ratter. But ofcause ratters normally say its a risk I consume ammo when I shot a ratBig smile. lazer crystal is something different, here you eeally have a risk they take damageShocked

The only risk a ganker take is to fail, but this dosent change the outcome of that CONCORD do. But turns profit to lossPirate

Well, talking about the risks, it exist another risk for the ganker too. It is that someone gank him first.... but that risk is rather low I guess