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If is worth it to train the ore processing skills?
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Kale Eledar
Venerated Industries
#21 - 2012-04-16 03:30:12 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:



A note on POS refining arrays: they are rubbish for anything other than ice. Skills affect them, but they have a yield cap on ore, example: intensive = 75% yield. They are only good for refining ice (Ice Processing 1 = 100% yield).



Pretty much this. Refining at a POS is clunky and inefficient.
In null, your best bet is a Minmatar station with a friendly corp'alliance/upgrades/etc. or a Rorqual compressing the ore for it to be JF'd back to hisec.

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Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2012-04-16 15:35:56 UTC
Vito Tattaglia wrote:
If you need them for mining crystals, yes.

If you already get the ore otherwise and just refine it, then no.



If you mine.. I have to confess that I had hoped that training these all the way up to 5 would make the T2 crystals last longer without breaking (which would have been cool CCP) but it doesn't look lke that's the case (testing seem to show they break at the same rate regardless).

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Jorma Amatin
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2012-04-17 01:31:37 UTC
Yes, but mining T1 crystals last for a long time. The T2 versions might give you a higher yield, but they are harder to manufacture and don't give the advantage that I would consider is worth the time to purchase them.

Just stick to T1 versions that you can manufacture yourself.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#24 - 2012-04-17 02:14:02 UTC
Jorma Amatin wrote:
Yes, but mining T1 crystals last for a long time. The T2 versions might give you a higher yield, but they are harder to manufacture and don't give the advantage that I would consider is worth the time to purchase them.

Just stick to T1 versions that you can manufacture yourself.

Note that you can reprocess them before they break and recover all the Nocxium, if you are capable of 100% yield on scrap reprocessing. T2 crystals also have Hypersynaptic Fibers, but those cannot be recovered.

I like to reprocess them at 39/40 damage (97.5%) but if you don't check every cycle you might want to remove them earlier.
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#25 - 2012-04-17 13:41:46 UTC
Jorma Amatin wrote:
Yes, but mining T1 crystals last for a long time. The T2 versions might give you a higher yield, but they are harder to manufacture and don't give the advantage that I would consider is worth the time to purchase them.

Just stick to T1 versions that you can manufacture yourself.


http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Crystal_damage#Example

T1 crystals last about 400 cycles, T2 crystals last about 200 cycles.

Assuming a T1 strip = 1.00, T2 strip w/ T1 crystals is a 1.05 multiplier and T2 strip w/ T2 crystals is a 1.135 multiplier.

T2 crystals for most ore types (especially the hi-sec ores) sell for below invention cost.

They boost your yield without sacrificing tank or cargo space, which is a pretty good deal.
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#26 - 2012-04-17 13:59:17 UTC
LoBlo Fet wrote:
Hello.

I have Refining V and Refining efficiency V currently. I was wondering if its worth it to start training the ore refining skills? Right now I can refine at 99.5% efficiency. Do the ore refining skills do anything then?

Thanks

Not sure If what you were actually looking for was answered.

Just thought I would point out that I believe you can not get over 99.5% refine with skills. Training the specific ore skills will not get you to 100% but adding a 3% refining implant(slot 8) will bump you to 100%.

Then getting your standings with say Caldari Navy (if refining in Jita 4-4) over 6.4 will eliminate the tax giving you full 100% of the ore you refine. Once you get to that point it is actually quite easy to find ore that you can buy and refine at a profit.

I thought your question might have been because you were looking to get your refining yield to 100% which is possible.
Kalipoli
State War Academy
Caldari State
#27 - 2012-04-17 15:48:42 UTC
I took the challenge of training all the ore specific skills to level 5 except for Merc. I would have to say level 5 is useless for all intents and purposes. Level 4 has some nice advantages, the biggest in my mind is the T2 crystals. You can buy them for less than you can make them in most cases and they improve yield enough to make it worthwhile if you are a miner.

When its all said and done a hulk with t2 strips and t2 crystals pulls in a ton of ore. In my opinion that is worth it if your skill que isnt already full. the skills do take an inordinate amount of time compared to their benefit but i still see the benefit as worth it.

(although i used my 5+ mil in unused skill points from the learning skill nerf to train up the ore spec skills.)

my vote would be to train them, at the least it means you can mine more ore. if you're lucky they will nerf them too and you will have some unallocated skill points to use elsewhere.

All in all good luck. fly safe.
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#28 - 2012-04-17 18:52:09 UTC
Bugsy VanHalen wrote:

Then getting your standings with say Caldari Navy (if refining in Jita 4-4) over 6.4 will eliminate the tax giving you full 100% of the ore you refine.


The magic number is 6.67.

Some people will say 6.7, but that's usually because they didn't relog or session change after hitting 6.67.
Megos Adriano
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2012-04-17 19:07:56 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Jorma Amatin wrote:
Yes, but mining T1 crystals last for a long time. The T2 versions might give you a higher yield, but they are harder to manufacture and don't give the advantage that I would consider is worth the time to purchase them.

Just stick to T1 versions that you can manufacture yourself.

Note that you can reprocess them before they break and recover all the Nocxium, if you are capable of 100% yield on scrap reprocessing. T2 crystals also have Hypersynaptic Fibers, but those cannot be recovered.

I like to reprocess them at 39/40 damage (97.5%) but if you don't check every cycle you might want to remove them earlier.


Amazing, I will do this from now on.

And boom goes the dynamite.
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2012-04-17 19:14:34 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Reprocessing Base: 37.5% for NPC stations and outposts

Does this apply to module processing as well? Reason I ask it that I was told the refining and refinery efficiency skills do not affect module reprocessing, so it seems it should be impossible with scrap metal processing 4 to have no unrecoverable minerals, yet somehow I have 0 loss.
LoBlo Fet
Terra-Formers
#31 - 2012-04-18 01:16:09 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Reprocessing Base: 37.5% for NPC stations and outposts

Does this apply to module processing as well? Reason I ask it that I was told the refining and refinery efficiency skills do not affect module reprocessing, so it seems it should be impossible with scrap metal processing 4 to have no unrecoverable minerals, yet somehow I have 0 loss.


I have refining and refining efficiency 5 and it effected my module reprocessing greatly.
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