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The Harsh Truth About Casual/Solo Players
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Lfod Shi
Lfod's Ratting and Salvage
#81 - 2012-04-17 15:05:29 UTC
Funny, I don't recall complaining about flying solo or asking for special treatment.

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Sukmee Nou
Helt paa tur
#82 - 2012-04-17 15:26:42 UTC
Kattshiro wrote:
Poor business plan to only cater to people that have 6 - 8 hours a day to blow on a game.

You can in fact have content for both groups...

I think you miss understand the small holdings claim...rather make null sec more accessible to smaller corps or people besides having to hold space or be in a uber alliance. (Exploration, null indie etc)


How to Miss Understand. Marry her
Wacktopia
Fleet-Up.com
Keep It Simple Software Group
#83 - 2012-04-17 16:50:41 UTC
Montevius Williams wrote:
That said, if someone wants to play EVE online alone, who am I to tell them otherwise. It's their 15 bucks a month, not mine.


Yeah well I pay 15 bucks a month and I want a massive cannon that I can fire anywhere I want. Cannon plz.

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Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#84 - 2012-04-17 16:59:58 UTC
I think that solo eve, or small group is one of the best parts of eve. Tactially is the most challenging since need well planned fleets and tactics, covert operations for low and null pve is excellent since you fight tough npcs without powerships, solo/casual play is great. It is larger group stuff that needs more work.

To quote Lfod Shi

The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
Manssell
OmiHyperMultiNationalDrunksConglomerate
#85 - 2012-04-17 17:09:30 UTC
Leaving aside the Op's ridiculous straw man caricature. I enjoy playing solo mostly because it makes people like the Op sad/mad/cry.
Kattshiro
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#86 - 2012-04-17 17:10:08 UTC
Sukmee Nou wrote:
Kattshiro wrote:
Poor business plan to only cater to people that have 6 - 8 hours a day to blow on a game.

You can in fact have content for both groups...

I think you miss understand the small holdings claim...rather make null sec more accessible to smaller corps or people besides having to hold space or be in a uber alliance. (Exploration, null indie etc)


How to Miss Understand. Marry her



Shes not the marrying type... (They say communication is key which she lacks) point in fact you can do better.
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Doomheim
#87 - 2012-04-17 17:12:47 UTC
Manssell wrote:
Leaving aside the Op's ridiculous straw man caricature. I enjoy playing solo mostly because it makes people like the Op sad/mad/cry.


Me too

Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game
Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpaid Tactical Team
#88 - 2012-04-17 17:15:08 UTC
I disagree with your post, sir. Once again, we have someone who plays one way and thinks everyone else should play that way too.
LocalHost
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#89 - 2012-04-17 17:15:12 UTC
Kattshiro wrote:
Poor business plan to only cater to people that have 6 - 8 hours a day to blow on a game.

You can in fact have content for both groups...

I think you miss understand the small holdings claim...rather make null sec more accessible to smaller corps or people besides having to hold space or be in a uber alliance. (Exploration, null indie etc)


I was just saying the same thing in another thread. Eve is indeed a sandbox and arguably the best sandbox game available for quite some time. The only reason 9 years later I still play is that I CAN decide to PVP in a group 1 year, and then take a break and do some PI or invention/manufacturing, or god forbid even spank some roids for production. I even took a small break but still logged in to play the market, buying low and selling high.

Diversity is a good thing IMHO. It's when a MMO caters to one group at the expense of another where the issue comes in, and lost subs, etc. The large divide between all out PVP/POS bashing and the rest of Eve (Mining, missions, production, invention, etc) is what prevents more folks from playing, IMHO.

Here's a RL example. If in the US all we had as a choice of occupation was the military to fight and take ground, who would be producing the basic and non-basic things you need to survive when you're not on the field ? Arguably, someone has to do that perceived menial task of mining, producing ships/ammo/equipment, and managing items on the market. If you didn't have that element of player, given how Eve's economy now runs, eventually the hard core PVPers wouldnt have any ships to replace the shinies they lost and eventually no one would fight since the cost of losing would be prohibitive.

Just something to consider there. I too for a time in the early years of the game looked down on production and the like until I tried it and realized that the guy geeking around in his little high-sec POS producing ammo was just as valuable as me and my corporation going around blowing up space and claiming ground.

My 2 cents,

Localhost
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Doomheim
#90 - 2012-04-17 17:15:44 UTC
I also play exclusively in High sec cause that makes low sec/null sec ppl cry

Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game
Barakach
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#91 - 2012-04-17 18:40:44 UTC
Eve needs a wide variety of risk vs reward. This is why there is high/low/null.

High sec should be a fairly safe area where to get your feet wet. A great example of this is NPC manufacturing. You have to wait in line, and it is much slower than a PoS, but you get to try manufacturing without a huge investment.

Every part of Eve should have the ability to "try" with little investment but with a heavy set of restrictions. Otherwise It's like taking a 8 year old kid, and telling them to choose what they want to do and tell them they're stuck with it as no one wants to waste 6 months training and saving only to find out they don't like it.
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#92 - 2012-04-17 20:12:46 UTC
Ank Parkor wrote:
EVE is a solo game with ennemies having sometimes great AI.


Playing several accounts together helps.
Seleia O'Sinnor
Drop of Honey
#93 - 2012-04-17 20:44:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Seleia O'Sinnor
Ah one of these posts. Sure a fleet of 20 (enter mighty ship name) can protect a hulk in highsec.

EDIT:
1/10

Odyssey: Repacking in POS hangars for modules +1,  but please for other stuff too, especially containers. Make containers openable in POS hangars.
Lola Humpsalot
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#94 - 2012-04-17 20:45:42 UTC
poastin' in a masternerdguy thread !
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Doomheim
#95 - 2012-04-17 21:01:06 UTC
Barakach wrote:


High sec should be a fairly safe area


you went wrong about here

Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game
Ank Parkor
WildSpace Otters
#96 - 2012-04-17 21:05:39 UTC
Tanya Powers wrote:
Ank Parkor wrote:
EVE is a solo game with ennemies having sometimes great AI.


Playing several accounts together helps.


Several accounts on a MMO is like only imaginary friends on his birthday.
You have all the avantages like all the cake but something seems a bit wrong.

In EVE it is much more convenient to do everything by yourself, maybe except PVP.
The game design doesn't reward enough team effort for PVE.

And the most important all EVE players hate mankind and all that is good, pretty or honest.
They want to shoot people, not talking to them.

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Adunh Slavy
#97 - 2012-04-17 22:25:45 UTC
Ank Parkor wrote:

Several accounts on a MMO is like only imaginary friends on his birthday.
You have all the avantages like all the cake but something seems a bit wrong.


Sort of a tangent ...

This reminds me of a comment made by a dev many years ago at a Fanfest, Oveur I think it was. A question was asked about ship crews, and CCP's thinking at the time was to paraphrase, "We don't want players hanging out with only their pets, we want people interacting with one another." ... but CCP is more than happy to let you pal around with your alts?

There's pretty much nothing CCP can do about alts, or would, it is there bottom line after all. But using alts just seems like a big cheat to me. Why not go buy PLEX and sit on a giant pile of ISK and prtend you alone, your in-game effort, produced it.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt
Serene Repose
#98 - 2012-04-17 22:38:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Serene Repose
I don't hate mankind. I'm just sorta pissed off at the bunch for a lot of reasons which mainly center around selfishness, and its big brother, egotism. Mankind hasn't ever accomplished much except by group cooperation. Even the great individuals known as artists have a lot of support function behind them, or we'd never know who they are.

There is no such thing as "casual" play. That's an inaccurate term that's cropped up, probably 'cause it's rather inoffensive. Take me for instance. I'm 56 years old. I was not only raised to compete, I was raised to be a rabid competitor. "Winning isn't everything. It's the only thing." I spent half my life engaged in all or nothing athletic competition normal people could rightfully call "insane."

But, it's not limited to the basketball court, baseball, or football fields. This type-A, winner take all, sort of person (thank you) tends to not confine it. Chess, cards, board games of all kinds...win! win! win! Or, to your opponent, "Die! Die! Die!" And, yes, with video, or computer games...the world opens up...MMOs??? Smack real people IN a video game???? There IS A GOD!!!

I have slam-dunked, home-runned, knock-his-dic^-in-the-dirted my way through life. Mudballs, water balloons, ray guns, missile boats... Saints of Battlefield 2 be praised ... for DECADES, and guess what. You reach a point where it's tiresome. It's repetitive. It's the same old same old. Whistle blows. Stomp the foes. Whistle blows. Stomp the foes.

What appeals to me about EVE is there are contributions I can make which don't involve stomping someone. You may call it whatever you want. I can build. I can create. This is a big change for me. I've broken real bones, and had mine broken. I've drawn blood and been bled - actually. I have more porcelain in my mouth than teeth. At this point, an adrenalin rush makes me nauseus.

Please. Allow me, or afford me, or whatever you want to call it, a bit of nice, relaxing - peaceful activity. Old warhorses should be able to graze around while the stallions snort and stamp and charge. You have the benefit of my wisdom in how to compete, organize, train...you have my humble efforts in helping you gear up and get into the fray.

I'm not a carebear, unless you count caring if my side stomps yours. I'm just a worn out warrior looking for a place on the field where I can offer some help, stay close to the smoke and ruin, but not have to worry about paying my cardiologist any more than I have to. Feel free to do what you like. Just gimme a little space to do what I want.

We must accommodate the idiocracy.
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#99 - 2012-04-17 22:45:28 UTC
Lfod Shi wrote:
Funny, I don't recall complaining about flying solo or asking for special treatment.


Me either. This whole thread is what we call a red herring. People like the OP are the first to cry nerf when a Titan blob stomps thier Maelstrom Blob and are the first to belly ache about the dumbing down of EVE but the only math they want to introduce is, my blob is bigger than your blob, my blob wins.
Paragon Renegade
Sebiestor Tribe
#100 - 2012-04-17 22:48:44 UTC
Masternerdguy seems to be overcompensating for his "Small holdings"

The pie is a tautology