EVE General Discussion

Hi long story short I've recently begun my own little jihad purge of highsec ganking Hulks and Haulers and I've come to realize this is pretty much Easy Mode and needs a bit of a change. That got me and my friend into a discussion about how exactly this could be changed. After awhile we figured out two things

1) Beef Hulks a little. That a 10m ISK Catalyst can kill a 300m T2 cruiser-sized Exhumer is a bit daft, let's be realistic. I'd suggest requiring something with a bit more punch, say a fully T2 gank fitted Thorax doing ~850 DPS (or a gankfit BC from any other race) to kill an untanked Hulk. I'd still happily throw away a 20-30m ISK cruiser or even a ~60m ISK BC to kill them and that's still easily 5-10 times its own worth, but far better than the current 50x ratio Catalysts get

2) At Fanfest there was discussion about overhauling criminal flagging system, and briefly, a blurb about making it so that anyone who steals from a can/wreck will become universally flagged as "Suspect" and attackable by anyone, not just their victim. I think this would add a little more risk to the suicide ganking of highsec haulers a little, as when you have your alt scoop that wreck he'd immediately become fair game to everyone else in the system. This allows those silly white knight vigilante-wannabes to spend hours camping popular gankcamp gates in their "counter-gank" Tornados ganking gankers' gankloot-scooping haulers... or more likely, allows competing gankers to kill the others' hauler if they go for a kill. The effectiveness of this last instance became obvious to me last night as I found myself sharing a gate with another ganker, both of us having hauler alts on grid. I'm pretty sure we both knew at the time that if either of us did gank something, the other could easily gank the other's hauler alt and take the spoils for himself. If our alts would've been flagged as suspect by the act this would make it pretty much a given that we would've taken out each others' haulers on the spot

So yeah, do this.

This thread is to specifically discuss the effects of Crimewatch on highsec suicide ganking not a discussion on Crimewatch itself.

When I want to give spicy I type to my victim in a Latin accent.

Nope. Still using it, as you can see, largely because it's still as true as ever.

Why would anyone "give up" on a proven design principal in EVE?

People that don't understand the concept are the reason we have far too many Super Caps in game currently, and why CCP no longer uses cost as a balancing mechanism.

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expensive ships die to cheap ones all the time

deal with it

Self-balancing emergent gameplay. Working exactly as intended.

so Tippia says the player is responsible for what happens to them(Fit tank, hulk don't go boom). Then CCP can go back and un-nerf Titans and Super Carriers , since they must be fine being all powerful and the players bitching how Titan's track so well means that the ones bitching should shut up and just fly a super cap of their own. See, logically if the player gets out of their crappy battleship blob ship and get into a cap ship of their own then Titans with a full rack of tracking enhancers are less of a problem. In short, fly a cap ship = to fitting tank mods on a hulk...player prevents their own loss by being pro-active and CCP don't need to step in. Yup, lets get back those Titan fleets then.

No need to apologise. The availability and value of prey and the amount of competing predators is self-balancing.

No. The OP did. I just recalibrated that RL comparison. As for your counter, it doesn't seem to actually counter the fact that a destroyer cannot kill a Hulk unless the Hulk pilot has been a bit daft. I suppose this is largely because it is… you know… a fact, and thus quite hard to argue against.

Non sequitur, since what you're describing is why cost isn't a balancing factor, whereas what I'm pointing out is the ecology of professions. The two have nothing to do with each other (aside from supercaps showing that it's good design for Hulks being weak to cheaper ships).