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50+ hours of mining required for a Hulk to pay for itself
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Ch3244
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#41 - 2012-04-17 04:37:18 UTC
if you don't wanna get ganked, fit a tank. stop assuming u can just afk mine 23/7
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#42 - 2012-04-17 04:40:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
Cipher Jones wrote:
Zero percent chance of aligning saving you if I am the one ganking. Just saying.

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=15468128

indeed how could a hulk be fit to tank over 4100 damage

clearly this is a game balance problem and not an ID 10 T problem
Kestrix
The Whispering
#43 - 2012-04-17 04:55:28 UTC
Henry Haphorn wrote:
Kestrix wrote:
For myself I'd estimate about 10 hours to mine the minerals to raise enough ISK to buy a new Hulk.

Quote:
Or mine aligned. Problems solved.

Hulks are quite slow even when aligned, try warping out after the gankers land ontop of you in a belt, I bet they can lock you and press F1 before you enter warp.

Quote:
fit tanking mods to your hulk

This, I have yet to lose a Hulk to gankers.


Thank you for the announcement. Now every ganker who read this will find you and put your claim to the test.


It's ok I carry a spare hulk in my Orca anyway... I know I will lose one sooner or later.
Dyniss
KarmaFleet University
#44 - 2012-04-17 05:02:35 UTC
Join a 0.0 corp then you don't need to worry about griefers plus mining ABC ore will pay for your hulk in a few hours
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#45 - 2012-04-17 06:32:50 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Cipher Jones wrote:
Zero percent chance of aligning saving you if I am the one ganking. Just saying.

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=15468128

indeed how could a hulk be fit to tank over 4100 damage

clearly this is a game balance problem and not an ID 10 T problem


He wasn't aligned pick a different one.

You try to help people and all you get is harassed...

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are serious business sir.

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Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#46 - 2012-04-17 06:42:36 UTC
Not really a good comparision because the Hulk really is built for 0.0 mining which can pay it off much quicker. Where as the covetor is built more for high-sec/some low-sec mining and can't survive on its own in 0.0.

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Ciar Meara
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#47 - 2012-04-17 08:29:51 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
Compared to mining Pyroxers in a covetor. You pull about an extra 5 mil an hour in the hulk (ll 5's) compared to a covetor.

That.s a lot of mining.

So when you get in your Hulk and get ganked for hulkogheddon don't say Uncle Cipher didn't warn you.


Yeah, it takes actual effort and risk to pay for the stuff in EVE.

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Joran Dravius
Doomheim
#48 - 2012-04-17 12:03:42 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
Compared to mining Pyroxers in a covetor. You pull about an extra 5 mil an hour in the hulk (ll 5's) compared to a covetor.

That.s a lot of mining.

So when you get in your Hulk and get ganked for hulkogheddon don't say Uncle Cipher didn't warn you.

Try mining high end ore in your high end mining ship. What you're doing is basically like complaining about how long it takes to pay for a marauder doing level 1 missions.
Henry Haphorn
Killer Yankee
#49 - 2012-04-17 12:16:07 UTC
Kestrix wrote:
Henry Haphorn wrote:
Kestrix wrote:
For myself I'd estimate about 10 hours to mine the minerals to raise enough ISK to buy a new Hulk.

Quote:
Or mine aligned. Problems solved.

Hulks are quite slow even when aligned, try warping out after the gankers land ontop of you in a belt, I bet they can lock you and press F1 before you enter warp.

Quote:
fit tanking mods to your hulk

This, I have yet to lose a Hulk to gankers.


Thank you for the announcement. Now every ganker who read this will find you and put your claim to the test.


It's ok I carry a spare hulk in my Orca anyway... I know I will lose one sooner or later.


Thank you for telling everyone what you have in your Orca. Now they will know what you lost if they decide to go for your uber hauler.TwistedTwistedTwistedTwistedTwistedTwistedTwisted

Adapt or Die
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#50 - 2012-04-17 12:32:22 UTC
Kestrix wrote:

Quote:
Or mine aligned. Problems solved.

Hulks are quite slow even when aligned, try warping out after the gankers land ontop of you in a belt, I bet they can lock you and press F1 before you enter warp.
.

If aligned (which in EVE means moving towards something) you warp the instant (give about a second for server tick) you click "warp". So no, I will be in warp before they finish dropping out.
Henry Haphorn
Killer Yankee
#51 - 2012-04-17 12:48:09 UTC
Corina Jarr wrote:
Kestrix wrote:

Quote:
Or mine aligned. Problems solved.

Hulks are quite slow even when aligned, try warping out after the gankers land ontop of you in a belt, I bet they can lock you and press F1 before you enter warp.
.

If aligned (which in EVE means moving towards something) you warp the instant (give about a second for server tick) you click "warp". So no, I will be in warp before they finish dropping out.


Agreed. Even insta-lock frigates take time to lock because they have to finish warp as they land. It's about a 2-3 second window of opportunity for the miner to get away. Of course, this requires *gasp* attention *gasp again* on the part of the miner.

Adapt or Die
Cloned S0ul
POCKOCMOC Inc.
#52 - 2012-04-17 13:10:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Cloned S0ul
Try undestand this point... Covetor vs hulk is like active drake with 5 missile laucher vs passive drake with 6 missile launcher... Also hulk as t2 ship is underpowered.
EFF ONEF1
Caldari Grand Prix Engineering
#53 - 2012-04-17 13:21:38 UTC
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
Not really a good comparision because the Hulk really is built for 0.0 mining which can pay it off much quicker. Where as the covetor is built more for high-sec/some low-sec mining and can't survive on its own in 0.0.



covetor cant survive on its own either.

nothing can.
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#54 - 2012-04-17 13:26:37 UTC
It doesn't take 50+ hours for a hulk to pay for itself, because you (hopefully) still have the hulk when you get bored with mining and can sell it.

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Francisco Bizzaro
#55 - 2012-04-17 13:35:07 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
Compared to mining Pyroxers in a covetor. You pull about an extra 5 mil an hour in the hulk (ll 5's) compared to a covetor.

That.s a lot of mining.

So when you get in your Hulk and get ganked for hulkogheddon don't say Uncle Cipher didn't warn you.

Plus, the chance that you will be targeted is much higher in a hulk than in a covetor. This further increases the expectation value (cost times probability of incurring the cost) of the cost of a hulk beyond the straight dollar-for-dollar comparison.

Since hi-sec hulks are very common, we can only assume that the average hulk lasts much much longer than 50 hours, in which case it seems like suicide ganking isn't as much of a problem as some make out.
Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#56 - 2012-04-17 13:36:57 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
Compared to mining Pyroxers in a covetor. You pull about an extra 5 mil an hour in the hulk (ll 5's) compared to a covetor.

That.s a lot of mining.

So when you get in your Hulk and get ganked for hulkogheddon don't say Uncle Cipher didn't warn you.



everybody knows that people buy GTC's to sell for isk so they can pimp their mining rides. Noone cares about profit :P

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  • Qolde
Subdolus Venator
State War Academy
Caldari State
#57 - 2012-04-17 14:40:08 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
Subdolus Venator wrote:
What's with all the Covertor luv / Hulk hate..?

And really, WHY do people keep bringing this up? WHO CARES?!
Mostly, no one cares.

Go away.


Clearly everyone who replies cares deeply, or they would not reply.
At this point, I only care because I'm tired of this mini-meme. 'Tis a waste of perfectly good electrons.

EVE is EVE - Feaces will eventuate.
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#58 - 2012-04-17 15:06:16 UTC
Joran Dravius wrote:
Cipher Jones wrote:
Compared to mining Pyroxers in a covetor. You pull about an extra 5 mil an hour in the hulk (ll 5's) compared to a covetor.

That.s a lot of mining.

So when you get in your Hulk and get ganked for hulkogheddon don't say Uncle Cipher didn't warn you.

Try mining high end ore in your high end mining ship. What you're doing is basically like complaining about how long it takes to pay for a marauder doing level 1 missions.


If you think I am complaining you have zero reading comprehension.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#59 - 2012-04-17 15:38:25 UTC
What I think is that you really, really don't want people to fly more Covetors. Smile

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Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#60 - 2012-04-17 16:49:32 UTC
Based on dodixie mineral prices you can make almost 20 mill an hour on mining pyroxeres (these numbers are a couple days old though)

Hulk is a little more then 300 mill atm

It takes a bit more then 15 hours of pyro to make a hulk back. OP fails

Oh and also these numbers are using T1 ships with exhummer 3, T2 strips with crystals and exhummer 4 or 5 does even better.

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