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Verand Wolfswift
The Phantom Regiment Of New Eden
#1 - 2011-09-26 08:39:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Verand Wolfswift
I am still new to EVE compared to most players in the game (about 12.5 mil sp), and am learning the finer aspects of it. I am trained for Gallente bs 5 ( an initial mistake looking back), and was looking to get a Kronos for ratting. However, I recently joined a nulsec corp in Drone space, and Gallente without high drone skills just aren't efficient ( I can use T2 scout drones with a couple points in Drone Interface, but not much else) for ratting. Because of this, I've been cross training for Minmatar to get a Machariel, so the time I put into Gallente bs isn't a complete waste. I'm not in a rush as I'm still training some important skills, I can use most T2 shield and armor mods, and will be able to use T2 large autocannons relatively soon. Does anyone have any suggested fits for solo ratting (prefer squad sized hubs), and also any for solo or small gang pvp?
Funk Doobious
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#2 - 2011-09-26 10:01:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Funk Doobious
Galentte with no drone skills hmmmm.

I think your best bet for ratting/pvp will be to get yourself a hurricane as you are cross training for minmitar.
Verand Wolfswift
The Phantom Regiment Of New Eden
#3 - 2011-09-26 14:42:10 UTC
Ya I know. I didn't realize that drones were so important when I first started the game....figured I would rely on my turrets. Just a part of learning the curve.
Cleo Pandora
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#4 - 2011-09-26 15:44:15 UTC
Verand Wolfswift wrote:
Ya I know. I didn't realize that drones were so important when I first started the game....figured I would rely on my turrets. Just a part of learning the curve.


Yep, when i first started playing i wanted the best pvp ship, god knows why i choose caldari :P the mach is a brilliant ship for ratting.
Orlacc
#5 - 2011-09-26 17:31:10 UTC
If your Gallente BS is at 5, it will make the Mach more fun. Train up through Minmatar. Hurricane, then Maelstrom, then Mach.

This time, train up those drone skills!

"Measure Twice, Cut Once."
Verand Wolfswift
The Phantom Regiment Of New Eden
#6 - 2011-09-27 23:07:24 UTC
Thanks for the advice guys...I have a pve fitted hurricane now, and things go so much faster in mission running and ratting. My corp has some nice pvp fits as well, so it'll be fun seeing what it can do.
Headerman
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2011-09-27 23:47:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Headerman
Hey dood, a mate of mine ran Drone Patrols with a well fitted Mael, and that was solo. He did with 1200 Artys i think, as the BSs orbit at about 40km.

So i would say use Arty's Vs BSs, ACs for the cruisers and frigs, depending on the anoms you do. The mach, with an AB, should have no issues tanking the lower anoms, the rats have pretty terribad tracking :)

If you need a Mael, i got a number of them near the border between Kalevala and Malpais. if not, thats all cool

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Obsidiana
Atrament Inc.
#8 - 2011-09-28 00:08:57 UTC
The funny thing is that you need strong drone skills no matter what you fly. I'm Caldari, but I need them in my Navy Raven for smaller bounties. I sometimes fly a Navy Armageddon, an Amarr ship, which sports a huge drone bay. On to the Minmatar, the Maelstrom can use 4 sentry/heavy drones and the Phoon is second only to the Dominix in drone bay size.

Now look at the Macharial's drone bay: it can use 4 sentry/heavy drones (with 1 spare or 5 light drones).

No matter what race you fly, you just can't get away from drone skills.
Verand Wolfswift
The Phantom Regiment Of New Eden
#9 - 2011-09-28 04:07:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Verand Wolfswift
Lol earlier today I put some much needed drones skills into Evemon...luckily it'll only take a week to get light and medium drones up to snuff. Question though...I was thinking of having 5x Valkyrie II's and 5x Warrior II's (or the equivalent for other races for dmg type) for ratting and then 5x Vespa ec 600's in the bay in case of gank situations...any thoughts?
Goose99
#10 - 2011-09-28 04:20:06 UTC
Verand Wolfswift wrote:
Lol earlier today I put some much needed drones skills into Evemon...luckily it'll only take a week to get light and medium drones up to snuff. Question though...I was thinking of having 5x Valkyrie II's and 5x Warrior II's (or the equivalent for other races for dmg type) for ratting and then 5x Vespa ec 600's in the bay in case of gank situations...any thoughts?


Sounds fine. But use ec300s. They're faster, which means faster rate of return -> redeploy & repeat until a jam cycle goes through.Cool
Obsidiana
Atrament Inc.
#11 - 2011-09-28 18:46:50 UTC
Verand Wolfswift wrote:
Lol earlier today I put some much needed drones skills into Evemon...luckily it'll only take a week to get light and medium drones up to snuff. Question though...I was thinking of having 5x Valkyrie II's and 5x Warrior II's (or the equivalent for other races for dmg type) for ratting and then 5x Vespa ec 600's in the bay in case of gank situations...any thoughts?

Me personally, I use bounty-specific drones. If they are Angels, then Valkyrie/Warrior drones are perfect. For PvP here are the basics...

Warrior II : Anti-Interceptor
Hornet ec-300 : ECM drones
Hobgoblin II : Small target damage
Hammerhead II : Medium target damage
Ogre II : Large target damage

Warrior II's and Hornet ec-300's are something you always want with you. Warrior II's are the faster drones, able to catch most interceptors. Ec-300's help you get away. For PvP damage, thermal drones get the highest damage multiplier, so they are the first choice. Kinetic and EM drones are considered, by many, to be useless for PvP. There value is mainly for PvE.
Tammarr
#12 - 2011-09-28 19:23:37 UTC
you seem to forget in your 'thermal drones most damage multiplier' praise forget the important factors such as drone speed, tracking and thermal being a commonly high resist. take berserkers and valks, the average resistance profile have you doing more damage then thermal, but also delivering that damage faster because your drones aint fast as a caterpillar on a hangover.
Aamrr
#13 - 2011-09-28 19:26:59 UTC
Goose99 wrote:
Verand Wolfswift wrote:
Lol earlier today I put some much needed drones skills into Evemon...luckily it'll only take a week to get light and medium drones up to snuff. Question though...I was thinking of having 5x Valkyrie II's and 5x Warrior II's (or the equivalent for other races for dmg type) for ratting and then 5x Vespa ec 600's in the bay in case of gank situations...any thoughts?


Sounds fine. But use ec300s. They're faster, which means faster rate of return -> redeploy & repeat until a jam cycle goes through.Cool


This doesn't work. ECM drones now jam on the end of their cycle, for precisely this reason.
Lady Aja
#14 - 2011-09-30 07:26:06 UTC
i personallty think the mach sucks king kongs balls for pve.

I have bother large ac and arties trained upto lvl 4 spec.
it spits out far too much ammo. you would be better off using a nightmare or an amarr ship of some sort.
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Headerman
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2011-09-30 07:42:01 UTC
Lady Aja wrote:
i personallty think the mach sucks king kongs balls for pve.

I have bother large ac and arties trained upto lvl 4 spec.
it spits out far too much ammo. you would be better off using a nightmare or an amarr ship of some sort.


A NM does the same damage as an Abaddon, but has more tracking... Abaddons are great though, either with pulses or Tachs. But the NM would be just as awesome with either, and has the added bonus of shield tank for more damage mods.

The OP is in Rogue Dronelands, if he got a large EMP ammo BPO, then making ammo would be as cheap as.

At the end of the day though, it comes down to the skills you have

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Verand Wolfswift
The Phantom Regiment Of New Eden
#16 - 2011-10-03 06:57:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Verand Wolfswift
Nice thing about projectile ammo is that it's cheap, and not only that, my corp makes it by the bulk precisely for ratting and pvp. I already have hybrid blaster and rail turrets trained for t2 and projectiles only have a few days left...I really don't want to invest the time into energy turrets as well unless I have to or at least not until much later. The more time I spend cross training, the more time I have to wait to become as viable as I want for the corp by postponing training in the skills that will give me top notch survivability or the ability to use role specific ships. Yes I know the Machariel uses a lot of ammo, and Amarr is more cost effective for ratting than any other race, but one of my main reasons for choosing that ship is so I don't feel like the time I spent training Gallente BS V will go to waste, not to mention that I will have to train battleships for the two races I don't have any skills for if I decided to go for a Nightmare.
Theodoric Darkwind
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2011-10-03 07:31:30 UTC
EMP L is cheap, definitely go for the mach. Drone space is fairly safe, but id still pack a flight of ECM drones (mach has the drone bay for 5xlight,5xmedium,5xlight ecm).

I use a loki for ratting/sanctums and it goes through ammo even faster than a mach, 1 tick of rat bounties pays for a weeks worth of phased plasma M for me. I imagine 1-2 drone BS rats will supply enough drone poop to make close to a weeks worth of EMP L.

Since you already have Gallente BS V might as well just go for the mach. Nightmare would require training both caldari and amarr BS and T2 large lasers, and is generally a much more unforgiving ship than a mach and typically requires a more expensive fit to compensate for its cap problems.