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What if we made a push to up another trade hub?

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Acac Sunflyier
The Ascended Academy
#1 - 2012-04-17 09:36:06 UTC
Jita is great and all but let's increase something on the OTHER side of the FW line.
Gilbaron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2012-04-17 09:57:18 UTC
in a free market a new tradehub will show up automatically when and where needed
Kreeia Dgore
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2012-04-17 10:04:02 UTC
Another trade hub? Why? There are several major hubs doing their job pretty well.
Caleb Ayrania
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
#4 - 2012-04-17 10:07:02 UTC
A bit more specific and some data would be needed to motivate a group seeding and hub building.

Generally some statistics on populations, types and densities etc..

There are most likely plenty of oppertune markets out there..

Liberty Eternal
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-04-17 10:13:21 UTC
You can have the bots. Just tell us where to send them.
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
#6 - 2012-04-17 11:39:03 UTC
Liberty Eternal wrote:
You can have the bots. Just tell us where to send them.


Send them to the drone regions.
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#7 - 2012-04-17 15:39:52 UTC
Just picking between Oursulaert and Dodixie would help.

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Kalipoli
State War Academy
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-04-17 15:55:13 UTC
So why hasnt someone undertaken the the task of filling all items (or close to all items) at all stations everywhere.

It would be a serious undertaking but imagine how the game might change if everything you needed was in the system with you.

i dont think it would be for the better of eve but it sure would be a cool endeavor.
Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2012-04-17 16:20:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Vera Algaert
Kalipoli wrote:
So why hasnt someone undertaken the the task of filling all items (or close to all items) at all stations everywhere.

It would be a serious undertaking but imagine how the game might change if everything you needed was in the system with you.

i dont think it would be for the better of eve but it sure would be a cool endeavor.

inb4 Caleb Roll

(actually in after Caleb. but his above post doesn't count - it's merely foreplay)

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Aurel Svenson
Cyclone Solutions
#10 - 2012-04-17 17:12:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Aurel Svenson
Would be interesting. What you'd need is an area with good agents and good mining, I'd think. LP earned near Jita aren't worth a whole lot and I doubt the minerals are optimal either. I don't know how important ratting is, but good rats won't hurt. Having a location near player-occupied nullsec would allow you to be their highsec destination.

Once you find that, place appropriate buy and sell orders and advertise the hell out of the area. Have massive quantities of freighters running between the system and the other trade hubs.

If a suitable location could be found, I think this could be done... Expensive experiment, however, to get it started.
Caleb Ayrania
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
#11 - 2012-04-17 17:46:17 UTC
Since the joke is already hinted at..

Tycoon V and all skills maxed, still cant be done, not enough orders available per character, and NO I dont want to play the alt game..

Calling Torfi & Soundwave.. can haz my 3000+ orders on single characters back PLOX?
Aurel Svenson
Cyclone Solutions
#12 - 2012-04-17 20:00:02 UTC
I would think this to be more a corp-sized venture than a solo one.
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#13 - 2012-04-17 21:41:01 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
Amarr is looking to become a bigger trade Hub if Dr E's predictions of more & more peeps are moving into Amarr space because of crowding. I'm curious if Jita's burning might be the initial push Amarr needs to truely come near to over taking Jita?
Dodixie is dieing it seems to me... dunno about Rens & HEK's prices & location sucks
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#14 - 2012-04-17 22:09:48 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
Amarr is looking to become a bigger trade Hub if Dr E's predictions of more & more peeps are moving into Amarr space because of crowding.


You didn't read the report properly. There are more people in Amarr space because there is more Amarr space. The hisec Amarr regions are Domain, Genesis, Kador, Tash-Murkon, and Khanid Kingdom (I'm sure I left something out). The hisec Minmatar regions are Metropolis & Heimatar. The hisec Gallente regions are Sinq Liaison, Everyshore, Essence, Verge Vendor. That's not including the hisec islands such as Solitude.

So simply from the number of regions available, you'd expect Amarr space to have more people in it assuming that hisec was equally crowded everywhere. Of course one thing you will see as space gets more crowded is more people actively running missions in Zorrabed and Gulfondi.

That being said, if Burn Jita lasts more than a week I would expect another nearby system (such as Perimeter) will take over temporarily if Amarr doesn't take over as the major hub. After all, Amarr is already a hub, and it's just as easily accessible to people in Minmatar and Gallente space as Jita is, and is already stocked pretty well in comparison to Jita.
Ch3244
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2012-04-18 01:25:59 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
Amarr is looking to become a bigger trade Hub if Dr E's predictions of more & more peeps are moving into Amarr space because of crowding. I'm curious if Jita's burning might be the initial push Amarr needs to truely come near to over taking Jita?
Dodixie is dieing it seems to me... dunno about Rens & HEK's prices & location sucks

Hek is 100x better that dodixie.

Don't do business in Rens
Dr Silkworth
#16 - 2012-04-18 03:03:35 UTC
Minmatar needs to annex some gallente space.
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#17 - 2012-04-18 03:24:50 UTC
Ch3244 wrote:

Hek is 100x better that dodixie.

Don't do business in Rens


Hek is tiny. It's more of a mission running hub then a trade hub.

Based on total sell order value:

http://eve-marketdata.com/reports.php?step=Station

2117B - The Forge - Jita
521B - Domain - Amarr
320B - Sinq Laison - Dodixie
351B - Heimatar - Rens
201B - Metropolis - Hek
165B - Tash-Murkon - Tash-Murkon Prime
76B - Essence - Oursulaert (Villore is 48B)
61B - The Citadel - Motsu
58B - Khanid - Agil
53B - Lonetrek - Sobaseki

(and I'd love to see someone figure out total transaction volume / amounts per day - which would be far more accurate as a measure of what the top 10 trade hubs are)
Cedo Nulli
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2012-04-18 03:36:26 UTC
Try to make a low or null sec "tradehub" and it will experience the "Camped-ganked-dried out and died" combo.
papamike
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2012-04-18 06:09:33 UTC
Cedo Nulli wrote:
Try to make a low or null sec "tradehub" and it will experience the "Camped-ganked-dried out and died" combo.


I heard people say this when I started toying with the idea of Precipice Industries. While im still a way off before declaring the venture a success, the above statement is misleading and false.

It can be done, at a profit provided one does the research into the area and the needs basis off it. Its a harder slog then simply setting up shop in an existing hub, and you have to deal with all the problems of a trade hub along with all the problems of low/null sec.

TL:DR Its not impossible but its alot harder to do individually and with enough financial backing to be profitable. Most people put it in the too hard basket so it doesnt end up working out.

The people that COULD make it work on an individual level (ie, by investing vast resources into the area) dont want to bother with it as they already have established interests. However, its actually a viable and achievable target for a collective of mid-ranged corporations or individual traders, provided they could actually work together and not cut into each others established markets.

kakarifar
LOOK BOTH WAYS
#20 - 2012-04-18 08:18:00 UTC
Amarr = more systems = more chance of incursions = more red crosses = more people = more demand

I am so good at maths you would not believe :)
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