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I'm a little confused. I mean sure I am not a fan of all of the changes and want the price system scaled differently, but some of the posters to this section.. well, you do know that there is already a wardec system in place right?

The people 'raging' against the very existence of wardecs, I mean that is a different debate all together is it not? Most of you I assume are from small industry corps. Are you currently being permadecced? Because you can be now - already - the mechanic already exists for wealthy pvp griefers to just come and keep you decced literally FOREVER. This mechanic exists right now, it's there.

The new system actually does two things: 1) makes it more expensive to dec you and 2) let's you get help.

Is this not an improvement? Seriously, I don't think people are going around deccing people just for the laughs of ruining some poor innocent high sec dude's day as much as you think. Or am I just empire-naive?

Argus

Pretty much disagreed with most of it. Article pushed what appeared to be EVE Uni's awful ideas for wardecs. Gives all the power to big blob entities and is another blow to small gangs and guerrilla warfare.

Doh, I wish i could figure out sentences like this:

"it can't be good for EVE that the best course of action during a war is to log off and play another game for the duration."

There you have it, CCP, better than how I could express it.

Hey guys, just wanted to pop my head in very quickly to say that we are monitoring this (and other threads). The only reason why I haven't replied regarding the war cost formula is simply that it isn't ready yet. We have it slated to be worked on this sprint (sometimes during the next two weeks), so I will let you guys know as soon as we have it nailed down. There are many valid concerns in this thread that will be taken into account, but I don't want to go into too much details right now - discussing unfinished systems is always risky, as this thread clearly shows, so please show a bit of patience for a little while longer.

As I've stated before, with a generic system like we have regarding player corps and wars, it is inevitable that whatever change we make will always upset some players, one way or another. Our aim is to find something that provides the greatest good to the greatest number, paraphrasing Jeremy Bentham.

There are other changes and tweaks in the pipelines, which I will also inform you about when they are ready.

Thanks for all the great posts, guys.

I've seen alliances logoff and play something else when attacked. Maybe CCP should delete ships and concentrate on Walking in Stations and player clothing. I can meet up with you and we can compare outfits (mine will be considerably better and much more expensive)

You guys read the article on massively about this subject, published earlier today???
http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/04/15/eve-evolved-fixing-the-wardec-system/

I think it have some good points (maybe the best).


Comments???

If CCP makes EvE war unwinnable for the defender and unavoidable with in-game mechanics, that only leaves one way to avoid it, and people will take that path in direct proportion to how many people take advantage of the attacking side.

And there do exist people playing on-line games for whom getting people to quit the game is the ultimate victory.

As I understand the logic is:
before war you must build war command structure - if its destroyed, war is over.


Overall, I like this proposal.
It gives meaning to wars.
It gives actual mechanics for attacking, defending, attacker and defender can loose, you have something to fight for, defender have mean to end war, attacker cant just war dec and not log in on that char for few days (or ever), attacker need to actually be a part of war it started, everybody can win or loose.