EVE New Citizens Q&A

Hey!

Yesterday I was trying something out with someone else:

-he stood still
- I was orbiting around him

We both checked our angular velocities. And they were the same.
However, turrets have a certain tracking speed. Now lets say I'm flying around him, while keeping him on my left side always. 2 things should happen:

-For every circle I make around him, his turrets have to do 360 degrees turn.
-For every circle I make around him, MY turrets do NOT have to do 360 degrees, as my ship also pivots, and keeps him always on the left side.

However, our angular velocity is shown as being the same.

Am I missing something here?

Thanks a lot!

You are missing that EVE is not a physics simulation. It's a set of rules that make up a game. Turrets are indeed independent entities and only care about the position of the ship they are glued to (if you fly minmatar, anybody else is welding).

No angular velocity does not take into account the fact that the ship is turning, they are concedered indepenant entities on the ship. In Eve the direction your ship is facing doesn't matter, only you vector is important (which is the direction and speed at which your ship is travelling) this is quite evident when someone flies a capital or a slower BS as it'll typlically enter warp sideways and finish aligning during warp.

What gfldex said.


it's like this ...

The very idea that one ship could orbit another faster than that ship could roll about it's longitudinal axis - is utterly absurd. You will also note that while ships in EVE do rotate about their longitudinal axis - they are NOT able to do so under the pilots control.

EVE is also not a flight sim.



Battleships have no trouble whatsoever tracking destroyers IRL. The problem they have - is the flight time of their shells - with the average smart destroyer not being where the battleships shells were aimed when they get there. But - get a destroyer at close range - and there's no way in hell it's circling said battleship faster than those guns will track it. It could however - being relatively low to the water - actually get close enough to where the Battleships guns couldn't depress enough to hit it.


Other examples of EVE being just a set of arbitrary rules CCP made up:


In WWiI there was one US Battleship, the South Dakota, which suffered a seld inflicted power casualty and was beaten up pretty badly while they were getting it sorted out. The USS Washington, another US Battleship interposed itself between the South Dakota and those ships engaging it so that it would mask the injured ship. The Washington, which was under no such difficulties as the South Dakota - then proceeded to use it's 16" guns to rip apart the 14" gun Japanese Battleship. In EVE - you can't do that. Neither Asteroids nor Weighty Ships of Great Might shall mask our targets from the fight. You click on a target in the Overview - select and engage the target and it doesn't matter what is in the way. You shoot right thorugh it.



You can't even fly where ever you want in a system. Look at the Save Location function. At one point in time - you had X,Y,Z coordinates that you could enter to put a Bookmark where ever you wanted - and then fly to it. Can't do that any more. The explanation I heard was that people were creating out of range bookmarks - so - rather than simply put a limit on the range of the input values ... which any good programmer does anyway ... they just stopped letting you do that. So - unless you can get there already - via a location created by a mission or exporation or dropping a bookmark between two already warpable locations - you can't get there from here. This is imbecilic - and yet no one complains. It's just a stupid rule CCP made up for a stupid reason that eveyone just lives with.


RL >< EVE >< RL Sim


EVE is a good game ... but not because of the flight characteristics of the ships ...



*shrug*

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Correct, you have the same angular velocity to him as he has to you and because of that you'll only want to orbit if your overall tracking (based on turret tracking numbers, sig radius and possibly range) is better than the other ship's.

My only gripe about eve is the physics. Every time I see a Babylon 5 episode with their realistic fighter space dogfights I can't help wishing for a better model in EVE...

Or getting a gas giant gravity assist in Frontier: Elite II *swoon*

Figure your range and tracking speed, make sure range and angular velocities are on your overview and learn target and shoot by the numbers. The closer you want to fight, the better you have to be.

ya, I wish you could hind behind bigger ships or other objects

One's a TV show where they can pre-render or set their already determined physics in the video.

The other is a sandbox MMO that has to handle up to thousands of ships' positions, velocity, weapon systems, and much, much more.

I think we can all agree which is easier to make conform to physics.

Please... fix? It's not broken. It is the way it is on purpose for gameplay reasons.