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EFT challeng: Mackinaw
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Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
#1 - 2012-04-14 07:48:20 UTC
Most EHP with:
- 2 * T2 Ice Harvester
- T2 ONLY equip (no T1, no named, no faction, no deadspace, no officer)
- no fitting mods (CPU upgrade, PG upgrade)
- T1 rigs only
- all slots used without stupid stuff

Hull, armor or shild tanks are fine. Even mixed tanks are ok as only EHP counts.

Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship!
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#2 - 2012-04-14 08:49:45 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
[Mackinaw, New Setup 1]
Damage Control II
Co-Processor II

Small F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Invulnerability Field II
Additional Thermal Barrier Emitter I
Magnetic Scattering Amplifier II

Ice Harvester II
Ice Harvester II

Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I



16,666Twistedk EHP with a +2 cpu implant
Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
#3 - 2012-04-14 08:56:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Jojo Jackson
Jojo Jackson wrote:

- T2 ONLY equip (no T1, no named, no faction, no deadspace, no officer)
- no fitting mods (CPU upgrade, PG upgrade)

Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship!
Aamrr
#4 - 2012-04-14 09:10:37 UTC
On the contrary. It's an Industrial Command Ship. It lacks a jump drive, can use jump gates, and requires neither the Capital Ships nor Advanced Spaceship Command skills to fly.

The Orca is most definitely a subcapital. It's just a particularly massive one.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#5 - 2012-04-14 09:11:25 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Jojo Jackson wrote:
Jojo Jackson wrote:

- T2 ONLY equip (no T1, no named, no faction, no deadspace, no officer)
- no fitting mods (CPU upgrade, PG upgrade)


Because a +2 implant is something only billionares can affordRoll

[Mackinaw, very well]
Damage Control II
Co-Processor II

Small Shield Extender II
Invulnerability Field II
Survey Scanner II
Magnetic Scattering Amplifier II

Ice Harvester II
Ice Harvester II

Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I

15.6k EHP
Rockius
Zero Reps Given
Pandemic Horde
#6 - 2012-04-14 09:44:37 UTC
No its simply a command ship. It does not require the industrial cap skill merely the industrial command skill.
The true worth of a man is to be measured by the objects he pursues. 
Tlat Ij
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2012-04-14 10:31:46 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Co-Processor II


That's a fitting module.
Wyte Ragnarok
#8 - 2012-04-14 10:54:14 UTC
Aamrr wrote:
On the contrary. It's an Industrial Command Ship. It lacks a jump drive, can use jump gates, and requires neither the Capital Ships nor Advanced Spaceship Command skills to fly.

The Orca is most definitely a subcapital. It's just a particularly massive one.


Congratulations, you read his signature.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#9 - 2012-04-14 16:45:39 UTC
Tlat Ij wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Co-Processor II


That's a fitting module.


Why limit yourself?
Tlat Ij
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2012-04-14 16:54:25 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Why limit yourself?
because
Jojo Jackson wrote:
- no fitting mods (CPU upgrade, PG upgrade)
Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
#11 - 2012-04-14 17:54:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Jojo Jackson
baltec1 wrote:
Jojo Jackson wrote:
Jojo Jackson wrote:

- T2 ONLY equip (no T1, no named, no faction, no deadspace, no officer)
- no fitting mods (CPU upgrade, PG upgrade)


Because a +2 implant is something only billionares can affordRoll

I said nothing against the implant :)
Just no CPU or PG fitting mods in any ship slot ;)

baltec1 wrote:
Why limit yourself?


I just try to figgure out, if it is posible at all, to find a decent fitting for this Tech II Hull with Tech II mods only.

For any other ship a standart fit would start with somethink like this:

[Mackinaw, New Setup 1]
Damage Control II
[empty low slot]

Medium Shield Extender II
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
[empty med slot]

Ice Harvester II
Ice Harvester II

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I

But as you see there are 2 slots empty and CPU+PG are allready overused (284/274,5 CPU and 46,25/43,75 PG).
DC II, MSE II and Invu II are by no means "overkill" items, are they?

Best I could find is :
[Mackinaw, New Setup 1]
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II

Medium Shield Extender II
Micro Shield Extender II
Invulnerability Field II
Micro Shield Extender II

Ice Harvester II
Ice Harvester II

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I

Which need a 5% GP Implant and has 14.667 EHP.

Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship!
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#12 - 2012-04-14 19:59:13 UTC  |  Edited by: FT Diomedes
Your T2 only requirement is stupid. Just going for most EHP...

Here you go: 17,943 EHP.


[Mackinaw, Mackinaw]
Internal Force Field Array I
Beta Reactor Control: Diagnostic System I

Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Viscoelastic EM Ward Salubrity I
Viscoelastic EM Ward Salubrity I
Ancillary Ballistic Screen Stabilizer I

Ice Harvester II
Ice Harvester II

Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
#13 - 2012-04-14 20:08:56 UTC
FT Diomedes wrote:
Your T2 only requirement is stupid. Just going for most EHP...

Why is it stupid? Any reason, why a Tech II ship shouldn't be able to be decently fit with pur Tech II items?

I know, many of you hate miners/industrials. But byside of this ... any real reason? Balance? EVE Law? Real Physic?

Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship!
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#14 - 2012-04-14 20:37:56 UTC
What is the ship supposed to tank? Seriously, what do you want to use it for? You seem to be trying to make a point that it is hard to get a ton of EHP out of a specialized ice mining ship. No kidding?

There are many ships that cannot fit to max in every category, without going for some best-named, faction, or deadspace items.

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#15 - 2012-04-14 20:50:56 UTC
Jojo Jackson wrote:

For any other ship a standart fit would start with somethink like this:

[Mackinaw, New Setup 1]
Damage Control II
[empty low slot]

Medium Shield Extender II
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
[empty med slot]

Ice Harvester II
Ice Harvester II

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I

But as you see there are 2 slots empty and CPU+PG are allready overused (284/274,5 CPU and 46,25/43,75 PG).
DC II, MSE II and Invu II are by no means "overkill" items, are they?



No, that would not be a standard fit - there is no comparable ship. A Mackinaw is somewhere between a frigate and a cruiser in terms of fitting ability. The items you are picking to fit are all oversized for a frigate. Try fitting those same items on a faction or T2 frigate without fitting mods (along with the best guns for the ship & etc).

Mining is supposed to be a cooperative endeavor. Every decent mining fleet has a tank, haulers, someone to give bonuses, scouts, and a bunch of miners. Asking to do it all in one ship without named, faction, or deadspace is asking too much.

Would it be nice if the Mackinaw had some more CPU? Yes, but then most people would just cram on more Ice Harvester Upgrade IIs, not try to fit a tank to the damn thing.

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
#16 - 2012-04-14 21:44:50 UTC
FT Diomedes wrote:
No, that would not be a standard fit - there is no comparable ship. A Mackinaw is somewhere between a frigate and a cruiser in terms of fitting ability. The items you are picking to fit are all oversized for a frigate. Try fitting those same items on a faction or T2 frigate without fitting mods (along with the best guns for the ship & etc).

"along with the best guns for the ship & etc" this is a bit hard for Stripe Miner II and Ice Harvester II ... you know, there is just one type and not several like for guns ;). (2-3 short range + 2-3 long range)

But here we go. Instead of the second Invu II I used a Scrambler II just to prevent you from saying "noone would fit this". It's a decent fleet medium taggler.

[Jaguar, New Setup 1]
Damage Control II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

1MN Digital Booster Rockets
Medium Shield Extender II
Invulnerability Field II
Warp Scrambler II

200mm AutoCannon II, Barrage S
200mm AutoCannon II, Barrage S
200mm AutoCannon II, Barrage S
Salvager II

Small Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I
Small Polycarbon Engine Housing I

No CPU or PG upgrades needed, all slots used with "usefull" equip. Might change the Poly Engine rig against Shild Extender rig.

Absolut no problem in less then 10 seconds. Take standart stuff, build in, fly.

Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship!
Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
#17 - 2012-04-14 21:46:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Jojo Jackson
FT Diomedes wrote:

Mining is supposed to be a cooperative endeavor. Every decent mining fleet has a tank, haulers, someone to give bonuses, scouts, and a bunch of miners. Asking to do it all in one ship without named, faction, or deadspace is asking too much.

LOL? You are trolling aren't you?

Would YOU sit in your suport/combat ship for hours doing nothing but watch local just to protect your mining corpi?

No you wouldn't! Don't even try to lie.

Even less when it comes to highsec ice-,mining!!

Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship!
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#18 - 2012-04-14 21:57:31 UTC
This is rich. Big smile

The person who just put 1mn Digital Booster Rockets on a laughable fit with no damage mods just called me a troll.

And yes, I have set a character out there to scout for incoming hostiles in 0.0. Granted, it was on a second screen and in a covops, but it was there to scout.

Get out of highsec and you'll find that 0.0 isn't very frightening when you have friends.

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
#19 - 2012-04-14 22:06:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Jojo Jackson
FT Diomedes wrote:
This is rich. Big smile

no damage mods

Dude, I knew this would come as EVERY fitting can be trolled.
OK, I didn't noticed the Digit Booster, my fault. But a T2 would still fit with CPU+PG implants.

But dude, Damage Mods? THEN you MUST fit Ice Harvest upgrades T2 too!!!

FT Diomedes wrote:
Get out of highsec and you'll find that 0.0 isn't very frightening when you have friends.

I am in 00 with other chars and even there NOONE is willing to protect the mining ops! So don't try to tell bullshit about "get propper protection fleet". It never happens and will never happen equal if you are GOON, PL, Raiden or whatever wannabe "pro" ally.

Just a hint: Ice Harvest Upgrade II == 40 CPU each
HF filling the med slot with usefull T2 ONLY stuff!

PS: and second hint: as Tacler your role is to Tacle NOT to do DPS!
Fitting damage mods in fleet tacler == FAIL!

Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship!
Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
#20 - 2012-04-14 22:22:10 UTC
FT Diomedes wrote:
What is the ship supposed to tank? Seriously, what do you want to use it for? You seem to be trying to make a point that it is hard to get a ton of EHP out of a specialized ice mining ship. No kidding?

The point is to find a fitting, which can be build and need no drob-luck but still has enough EHP to survive random suizid ganker which aren't organized (yes, everthink can be ganked with enough manpower, I know).

So T2 fit which can survive let's say 2 suizid trasher in common highsec ice belts when you are not AFK.

Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship!
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