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Sverige Pahis
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#201 - 2012-04-14 15:53:21 UTC
Garmon's greatest troll
Memrox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#202 - 2012-04-14 16:39:08 UTC
Garmon (and your cronies), just leave the vids to the pro's like Kovorix.
Mistress Lilu
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#203 - 2012-04-14 16:43:30 UTC
Garmon and the other great pilots in the vids, really really disappointing.
19 dollars a month!!
come on man. I think you should have never hooked up with abbadon21. He just ripps people off.
And here i thought you guys were doing a great thing for eve.
I would not mind paying 5 dollars a month, just to see you guys fly. Besides that, there are plenty of other great pilots that put up their vids for FREE.
Very sad.
Mistress Lilu
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#204 - 2012-04-14 16:45:12 UTC
Beat General wrote:
costs alot...

I think that abbadon21 guy is corrupting the minds of garmon/will/duncan.

All that guy is, is a greedy money muncher. You can tell by his disgusting voice. Lol

I thought i was the only one that thought of that lol.
He does sound slimy.
james1122
Perimeter Trade and Distribution Inc
#205 - 2012-04-14 17:35:25 UTC
Make it $5 a month or less and then I will subscribe.

That is all....

....
geit reyl
Doomheim
#206 - 2012-04-14 18:05:09 UTC  |  Edited by: geit reyl
i wonder how long it took abadon to talk them into this, that dude has rl scaming lvl 5


edit: also his cheap tv shoping channel jargon all over the site makes me laugh so hard
TooNu
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#207 - 2012-04-14 18:05:36 UTC
HAHAHAHAHA Garmon still trolling :)
Every year we get something awesome fom Garmon and again he delivers. Alliance tournamet finals vs himself, Mintchip, and now $19.99 subscription, love it Lol

I can not wait for the next instalment of "Garmon: Your mind it is blown!'
Naomi Wildfire
Sonnenlegion
Shadow Cartel
#208 - 2012-04-14 18:12:47 UTC
TooNu wrote:
HAHAHAHAHA Garmon still trolling :)
Every year we get something awesome fom Garmon and again he delivers. Alliance tournamet finals vs himself, Mintchip, and now $19.99 subscription, love it Lol

I can not wait for the next instalment of "Garmon: Your mind it is blown!'


Sad part about those is, Mintchip is not a one time troll but rather a continuously one.

ISD BH Newmind > Jingle bells, Tuxford smells, Falcon laid an egg =D
Fon Revedhort
Monks of War
#209 - 2012-04-14 18:30:35 UTC
Maximille Biagge wrote:
lol, just lol.

I seriously thought what you guys were doing was great, giving back to the community that made you "famous"

So you really believe that's Garmon who owes the community rather than it owing him? Really?

May be he should start paying isk for anyone bothering to watch his movies then? Roll

While I'm not supporting this initiative, I can't blame him either. People think it's OK to copy-cat someone's setups, to abuse him knowing he's a prooven soloer (and thus has no crap like cynoes), but should he somehow ask a bit in exhange he becomes the worst scoundrel.

Pathetic, indeed.

"Being supporters of free speech and free and open [CSM] elections... we removed Fon Revedhort from eligibility". CCP, April 2013.
Mistress Lilu
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#210 - 2012-04-14 18:34:02 UTC
Fon Revedhort wrote:
Maximille Biagge wrote:
lol, just lol.

I seriously thought what you guys were doing was great, giving back to the community that made you "famous"

So you really believe that's Garmon who owes the community rather than it owing him? Really?

May be he should start paying isk for anyone bothering to watch his movies then? Roll

While I'm not supporting this initiative, I can't blame him either. People think it's OK to copy-cat someone's setups, to abuse him knowing he's a prooven soloer (and thus has no crap like cynoes), but should he somehow ask a bit in exhange he becomes the worst scoundrel.

Pathetic, indeed.

no body is putting down garmon, its just sad that he is charging or abbadone21 is charging 19 dollars a month, ohh by the way get off his nuts.
Maximille Biagge
Hydra Eternal
#211 - 2012-04-14 18:46:37 UTC
Fon Revedhort wrote:
Maximille Biagge wrote:
lol, just lol.

I seriously thought what you guys were doing was great, giving back to the community that made you "famous"

So you really believe that's Garmon who owes the community rather than it owing him? Really?

May be he should start paying isk for anyone bothering to watch his movies then? Roll

While I'm not supporting this initiative, I can't blame him either. People think it's OK to copy-cat someone's setups, to abuse him knowing he's a prooven soloer (and thus has no crap like cynoes), but should he somehow ask a bit in exhange he becomes the worst scoundrel.

Pathetic, indeed.


Yes anybody who rises to any form of "fame" in a community owes alot of it to the people behind them, He uplaods videos and its his fan that like them, share them with their friends, promote them on the forums and ultimately pump up that view counter.

All this attention then can even lead to sponsorship by entities like Somer Blink.

but in the end without the community the video makers are nothing except people who are good at eve.

The whole eveiseasy thing was introduced as a way to give back tot he community, to help them out, "say thankyou" in a way.

and now it costs the community RL cash, and a substantial amount at that.


TBH I would even have payed a PLEX for it to fund ships and such in game for the video makers but there is no way I can see how making the videos and running a forum can suddenly require so much RL cash.
Mij Fa Meraptuchi
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#212 - 2012-04-14 18:51:22 UTC
Make it 4.99 and only then, maybe...
Better yet charge isk or GTFO.
Fon Revedhort
Monks of War
#213 - 2012-04-14 19:03:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Fon Revedhort
Maximille Biagge wrote:
Fon Revedhort wrote:
Maximille Biagge wrote:
lol, just lol.

I seriously thought what you guys were doing was great, giving back to the community that made you "famous"

So you really believe that's Garmon who owes the community rather than it owing him? Really?

May be he should start paying isk for anyone bothering to watch his movies then? Roll

While I'm not supporting this initiative, I can't blame him either. People think it's OK to copy-cat someone's setups, to abuse him knowing he's a prooven soloer (and thus has no crap like cynoes), but should he somehow ask a bit in exhange he becomes the worst scoundrel.

Pathetic, indeed.


Yes anybody who rises to any form of "fame" in a community owes alot of it to the people behind them, He uplaods videos and its his fan that like them, share them with their friends, promote them on the forums and ultimately pump up that view counter.

All this attention then can even lead to sponsorship by entities like Somer Blink.

but in the end without the community the video makers are nothing except people who are good at eve.
.

View counter and that kind of e-fame is of no value whatsoever.

What really matters are mutual emotions - an artist comes to the scene and performs his stuff, the audience claps and then leaves. On top of that it pays for the tickets upfront.

Now what you're saying is: the artist should be grateful for them just coming and sitting still and then leaving silent. Moreover, he should 'give back' and then perform another irrelevant activity - for free as well.

By the way, just for your information - 1/3 to 1/2 comments I see at video threads come from people who in turn make PvP movies. Same faces all the way.

P.S.

Sponsorship you mentioned might get one enough isk to pay for the ammo used. You clearly have no clue at the expenses one suffers whilst making a decent movie.

"Being supporters of free speech and free and open [CSM] elections... we removed Fon Revedhort from eligibility". CCP, April 2013.
Maximille Biagge
Hydra Eternal
#214 - 2012-04-14 20:35:13 UTC
Fon Revedhort wrote:
Maximille Biagge wrote:
Fon Revedhort wrote:
Maximille Biagge wrote:
lol, just lol.

I seriously thought what you guys were doing was great, giving back to the community that made you "famous"

So you really believe that's Garmon who owes the community rather than it owing him? Really?

May be he should start paying isk for anyone bothering to watch his movies then? Roll

While I'm not supporting this initiative, I can't blame him either. People think it's OK to copy-cat someone's setups, to abuse him knowing he's a prooven soloer (and thus has no crap like cynoes), but should he somehow ask a bit in exhange he becomes the worst scoundrel.

Pathetic, indeed.


Yes anybody who rises to any form of "fame" in a community owes alot of it to the people behind them, He uplaods videos and its his fan that like them, share them with their friends, promote them on the forums and ultimately pump up that view counter.

All this attention then can even lead to sponsorship by entities like Somer Blink.

but in the end without the community the video makers are nothing except people who are good at eve.
.

View counter and that kind of e-fame is of no value whatsoever.

What really matters are mutual emotions - an artist comes to the scene and performs his stuff, the audience claps and then leaves. On top of that it pays for the tickets upfront.

Now what you're saying is: the artist should be grateful for them just coming and sitting still and then leaving silent. Moreover, he should 'give back' and then perform another irrelevant activity - for free as well.

By the way, just for your information - 1/3 to 1/2 comments I see at video threads come from people who in turn make PvP movies. Same faces all the way.

P.S.

Sponsorship you mentioned might get one enough isk to pay for the ammo used. You clearly have no clue at the expenses one suffers whilst making a decent movie.



and it seems you maybe make PvP videos for the wrong reasons and are under the impression all other PvP video makers share your estranged opinions vOv
Raziel Saston
Deviance Cartel
#215 - 2012-04-14 22:35:48 UTC
Mistress Lilu wrote:
Fon Revedhort wrote:
Maximille Biagge wrote:
lol, just lol.

I seriously thought what you guys were doing was great, giving back to the community that made you "famous"

So you really believe that's Garmon who owes the community rather than it owing him? Really?

May be he should start paying isk for anyone bothering to watch his movies then? Roll

While I'm not supporting this initiative, I can't blame him either. People think it's OK to copy-cat someone's setups, to abuse him knowing he's a prooven soloer (and thus has no crap like cynoes), but should he somehow ask a bit in exhange he becomes the worst scoundrel.

Pathetic, indeed.

no body is putting down garmon, its just sad that he is charging or abbadone21 is charging 19 dollars a month, ohh by the way get off his nuts.


lol

Murphy asked Paddy "What ringtone have you got ?" Paddy said, "I've never really looked, but probably light brown."
Laktos
Perkone
Caldari State
#216 - 2012-04-15 02:20:40 UTC
Fon Revedhort wrote:
Maximille Biagge wrote:
Fon Revedhort wrote:
Maximille Biagge wrote:
lol, just lol.

I seriously thought what you guys were doing was great, giving back to the community that made you "famous"

So you really believe that's Garmon who owes the community rather than it owing him? Really?

May be he should start paying isk for anyone bothering to watch his movies then? Roll

While I'm not supporting this initiative, I can't blame him either. People think it's OK to copy-cat someone's setups, to abuse him knowing he's a prooven soloer (and thus has no crap like cynoes), but should he somehow ask a bit in exhange he becomes the worst scoundrel.

Pathetic, indeed.


Yes anybody who rises to any form of "fame" in a community owes alot of it to the people behind them, He uplaods videos and its his fan that like them, share them with their friends, promote them on the forums and ultimately pump up that view counter.

All this attention then can even lead to sponsorship by entities like Somer Blink.

but in the end without the community the video makers are nothing except people who are good at eve.
.

View counter and that kind of e-fame is of no value whatsoever.

What really matters are mutual emotions - an artist comes to the scene and performs his stuff, the audience claps and then leaves. On top of that it pays for the tickets upfront.

Now what you're saying is: the artist should be grateful for them just coming and sitting still and then leaving silent. Moreover, he should 'give back' and then perform another irrelevant activity - for free as well.

By the way, just for your information - 1/3 to 1/2 comments I see at video threads come from people who in turn make PvP movies. Same faces all the way.

P.S.

Sponsorship you mentioned might get one enough isk to pay for the ammo used. You clearly have no clue at the expenses one suffers whilst making a decent movie.


Have to agree with Fon on this one. Garmon and the other eveiseasy guys don't owe the community anything. Garmon, Willl and Duncan have already given lots to the community through the creation of their inspiring pvp videos, and on top of that 9 long, in depth free eveiseasy guides that were released before the site went exclusive.

In fact, one should be more surprised that they were doing these videos for free in the first place rather than surpised that they now charge for them. When I (and just about everyone) go soloing, I frequently engage 5+ times my numbers, and then once I have been pinned down have a falcon or some such thing permajam me. Sometimes while this happens I am laughed at by the gankers for trying to solo. The EVE community at large has not respect, but mainly scorn and derision for anybody who tries to solo. In this culture, we should be surprised any soloer bothers to do anything to give back to the community in any way, whether it is for free or for a price.

If you do not want to pay cash for these videos, then fine, do not. I'm not subscribing either. But rather than deride these guys for wanting something in return for all the work they are doing, instead be grateful for all the inspirational videos and the educational video guides they have already produced for free.

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Diddles Mcphee
The Casual Killers
#217 - 2012-04-15 02:24:58 UTC
The commercialization of EIE has killed everything you were to me as an inspiration in EVE pvp. I hope you sincerely reconsider what you've done. I had a lot of respect for you as an EVE player, but now all I see is another "artist" on a greedy bastard tour.

The worst part is that there are probably already many people who have given in to your demands, and the comments from the true Garmon fans\supporters will have fallen on deaf ears.

I hope that you will continue to create/release non-instructional videos for the community to enjoy at their leisure and not their expense

-1

R.I.P. Garmon
Maximille Biagge
Hydra Eternal
#218 - 2012-04-15 04:20:56 UTC
Laktos wrote:
Fon Revedhort wrote:
Maximille Biagge wrote:
Fon Revedhort wrote:
Maximille Biagge wrote:
lol, just lol.

I seriously thought what you guys were doing was great, giving back to the community that made you "famous"

So you really believe that's Garmon who owes the community rather than it owing him? Really?

May be he should start paying isk for anyone bothering to watch his movies then? Roll

While I'm not supporting this initiative, I can't blame him either. People think it's OK to copy-cat someone's setups, to abuse him knowing he's a prooven soloer (and thus has no crap like cynoes), but should he somehow ask a bit in exhange he becomes the worst scoundrel.

Pathetic, indeed.


Yes anybody who rises to any form of "fame" in a community owes alot of it to the people behind them, He uplaods videos and its his fan that like them, share them with their friends, promote them on the forums and ultimately pump up that view counter.

All this attention then can even lead to sponsorship by entities like Somer Blink.

but in the end without the community the video makers are nothing except people who are good at eve.
.

View counter and that kind of e-fame is of no value whatsoever.

What really matters are mutual emotions - an artist comes to the scene and performs his stuff, the audience claps and then leaves. On top of that it pays for the tickets upfront.

Now what you're saying is: the artist should be grateful for them just coming and sitting still and then leaving silent. Moreover, he should 'give back' and then perform another irrelevant activity - for free as well.

By the way, just for your information - 1/3 to 1/2 comments I see at video threads come from people who in turn make PvP movies. Same faces all the way.

P.S.

Sponsorship you mentioned might get one enough isk to pay for the ammo used. You clearly have no clue at the expenses one suffers whilst making a decent movie.


Have to agree with Fon on this one. Garmon and the other eveiseasy guys don't owe the community anything. Garmon, Willl and Duncan have already given lots to the community through the creation of their inspiring pvp videos, and on top of that 9 long, in depth free eveiseasy guides that were released before the site went exclusive.

In fact, one should be more surprised that they were doing these videos for free in the first place rather than surpised that they now charge for them. When I (and just about everyone) go soloing, I frequently engage 5+ times my numbers, and then once I have been pinned down have a falcon or some such thing permajam me. Sometimes while this happens I am laughed at by the gankers for trying to solo. The EVE community at large has not respect, but mainly scorn and derision for anybody who tries to solo. In this culture, we should be surprised any soloer bothers to do anything to give back to the community in any way, whether it is for free or for a price.

If you do not want to pay cash for these videos, then fine, do not. I'm not subscribing either. But rather than deride these guys for wanting something in return for all the work they are doing, instead be grateful for all the inspirational videos and the educational video guides they have already produced for free.


I'm sorry but are you saying these "artists" don't owe any thanks to their fans? Are all the Thank-you's at the end of almost every pvp video not sincere and only added because "it's what one does".

Now I in no way ever stated that Garmon and co. NEEDED to produce any of the eveiseasy videos or anything else and am thankful for all the free videos and commentaries they produced. I myself learned from them as many others have.

All I am dissapointed about is that when EiE was announced I myself and i'm sure many others saw it as a kind gesture of sorts, the grand masters laying bare their secrets to us younger players to encourage the growth of this solo PvP community.

I myself have often found myself frustrated trying to solo, being constantly blobbed and permajammed only to hear "it's ok because you're in CVA, all they do is blob" and it is people like yourself and garmon who's videos make me jump in the next ship and try again, over and over.

But now it is a payed for, "elite club" once more and only those of us willing to fork over the cash may continue to learn about solo pvp or "copycat setups" from those who wanted to see it flourish.

I do apolagise for the aggressive stance I may have taken in any earlier comments and if this made me seem ungreatful, but this is the eve-online forum and there is no room to sugarcoat anything. If I think something is wrong I will say it and then defend my opinion, I would be a coward if i didn't.
Jezs
This is not the corporation you are looking for
#219 - 2012-04-15 04:36:44 UTC
So how much have you made so far?
Fon Revedhort
Monks of War
#220 - 2012-04-15 05:32:02 UTC
Maximille Biagge wrote:


I'm sorry but are you saying these "artists" don't owe any thanks to their fans? Are all the Thank-you's at the end of almost every pvp video not sincere and only added because "it's what one does".

Now I in no way ever stated that Garmon and co. NEEDED to produce any of the eveiseasy videos or anything else and am thankful for all the free videos and commentaries they produced. I myself learned from them as many others have.

All I am dissapointed about is that when EiE was announced I myself and i'm sure many others saw it as a kind gesture of sorts, the grand masters laying bare their secrets to us younger players to encourage the growth of this solo PvP community.

I myself have often found myself frustrated trying to solo, being constantly blobbed and permajammed only to hear "it's ok because you're in CVA, all they do is blob" and it is people like yourself and garmon who's videos make me jump in the next ship and try again, over and over.

But now it is a payed for, "elite club" once more and only those of us willing to fork over the cash may continue to learn about solo pvp or "copycat setups" from those who wanted to see it flourish.

I do apolagise for the aggressive stance I may have taken in any earlier comments and if this made me seem ungreatful, but this is the eve-online forum and there is no room to sugarcoat anything. If I think something is wrong I will say it and then defend my opinion, I would be a coward if i didn't.


You missed the word "mutual". Any artist is pleased to see the full hall, that's right, but the people in turn should show some respect and behave accordingly. I simply can not imagine, say, Freddie Mercury singing in his usual manner in front of emotionless robots.

Apology accepted. I don't mean to sound arrogant, but please do note the following: you might have thought about it another way should you be making vids comparable to those of Garmon/Genos or mine. Most just don't know how it feels.

Yet again, I personally don't support this commercial way of doing things. But I surely understand where it comes from.

"Being supporters of free speech and free and open [CSM] elections... we removed Fon Revedhort from eligibility". CCP, April 2013.