Skill Discussions

Both, but mix some Minmatar flavor into going all amarr, legions and stuff.

Right well here's the thing, I've done pretty much exactly what you propose on frigates but single race initially. I carried on too up the ship tree

I don't think you realise how long this is going to take.

I have every single T2 shipskill (bar logistics) at L5. I have the support skills (gunnery/eng/elect) to fly 95% of Minnie combat ships pretty much perfectly. That is after nearly 3 years on this plan, starting as a new player with no iskies.

I'm 3 months from flipping the switch on a remap and then another 7 months away from being able to fly ALL sub-battleship class T1/T2/T3 combat ships with near perfect skills.

Time to do that? Three years and 8 months by the time its done. Most of that with +4 implants.

I still can't fly a tier 2 BS and I can't use large T2 weapons.

So is/was it worth it? Yes but I do have an alt on a seperate account who went off to do fun Amarr stuff, amongst other things. I'm at the stage now where everything new I train opens up half a dozen ships - all maxed near enough, but its taken a very long time to get here. I doubt I'd have done it with one account.

Edit - and I still have 1394 days on the skillplan. Gotta love Evemon

Edit2 - also remember that as I open up the other races ships at maxed levels I have zero experience of flying them so its just as likely I will DIAF with L5 skills and no experience of the ship as it is that someone with L4 skills will. Some classes of ship REQUIRE L5 to be good in PvP - inty, recon etc. Most don't.

Only train niche skills to V only if you know you absolutely love that ship. EAS V? Boy, you'd better fly a LOT of Sentinels. Small Laser Spec V? Dang, that's a lot of little.

You could spend that many SP in so many different ways which would open up new ships or new tactics.

Weird logic imo.

Find something you want to fit and fly, then train for it.

Fitting/gunnery/missiles/nav is always beneficial, but taking ships that you rarely or never fly to V sounds really silly to me.

Like I've trained HIC's to IV. V is a big upgrade, but I so rarely fly them it's no point really.

Lack of isk? Time to get some side incomes. Even one level 1 research agent will increase your income slightly, which adds up. They are easy to start using if you have a matching science skill to level 1. A few PI skills (just Command Center Upgrades really) to level 2 can get you a nice little facility and is another side income. It's really easy to set up something that you can leave alone for awhile.

Back on topic, it is a lot cheaper to get into an Abaddon. You can use that to make the money for the Legion. You don't have to go straight for the Abaddon either. Even an Armageddon or an Apocalypse can work well. In terms of training, just going for BS (ships and weapons) 3 or 4 will work well for you. Tanking skills (+cap skills) apply to all, so you can train them while saving for a BS. Once you are in the BS, save and train for the T3 cruiser.

Note: You didn’t say anything about cruisers (T1 or T2), so I didn’t address them. If you follow this track (tank > BS > T3) you pretty much skip cruisers and you completely skip BCs. That will save you time, but the jump from frigate to BS is a big one. Flying a cruiser may help, but I don’t know what your main source of isk is. Side incomes will help with that.

Not really - for T2 ships its about a year mapped will/per to take all the combat ships below BS to L5, so it fits in with remaps OK. Anyway for EAS you get Kitsune & Sentinel which are actually useful for PvP - outside the alliance tourney I mean.

I'm with you on gun specs/drone specs though, the last 2% isn't worth doing unless you have nothing left you want to train.

Swings and roundabouts really.

If you stick to frigates then you get the "decent core skills" a lot faster than if you ship-up immediately. However you ARE limited in what you can do, so if you have to grind missions then its probably not ideal - although L2/3 missions are a lot more fun in a frigate (first time around anyway).

Not really, no. Medium lasers are pretty much awful for L4s.

Edit: and the HAM subsystem suffers even more than putting HAMs on a Tengu, which isn't a good idea in the first place.

Well, there you have it. No level 4 missions in a Legion. That said, I bet it could do level 3's (even a Moa can). You need to do 3s to get to 4s.

(Yes, I said Moa. It was for kicks.)

Interesting considering logistics is one of the few that's really worth having at 5 (another being Recons).