EVE General Discussion

When a predator hungers it will naturally select the prey that requires the least expended energy for the most satisfaction in the kill, unless it has something to prove, or rabid.

Yes. However, it would change the value of the gold in you math. Which was sorta my point...


Even with the correction though, your point still stands that a miner will not be worth their weight in gold.

Though there's more demand for mining... my brain's too fuddled to work that through =p

Honestly the new changes are only for the boomerang exploit. Everything else is still working fine.

Kill less miners and you'll have cheaper pvp.

The more hulkageddons, ice interdiction and jihadding occurs, the more inflation you'll have to put up with.

So its your call really. Can you afford what your killboard is cooking?

Well they are able to earn a lot more ISK.

Excellent - I have managed to extract tears and I haven't even got out of bed yet.

But in all seriousness, when I said I'd jump in my Thrasher why did you assume I meant ganking miners? That particular PvP alt is sat in Low-Sec. You two are so adorable!!

Seen it before, will see it again, a change that seems to offer us miners hope... til someone comes along and finds a new way to up the isk without taking us off the target list. And no, I don't scream when my miner gets blown up, I just hate the waste, like I did as a beginning miner when I got can-flipped. Yeah, sit there and can-flip me in your pvp cruiser, hoping I'll "steal" from you in my hauler or be dumb enough to bring a badly fitted cruiser out to claim my "kill rights." meanwhile a couple hours work sits in a can that will soon pop with no one to make use of it.

Well that was the early days, since then I've been to 0.0, run around with fleets, etc. I know now that the makers of EVE don't want a peaceful area anywhere, even markets are pvp. Perhaps this new update will do some good for the miners, perhaps the big corps and alliances will just lock down harder on "their" areas. We'll see. Each to their own, and as for the guy who started this thread, don't know you and won't comment on what I don't know, just a lot of folks out there (you may have shot them yourself) claiming hero status for downing unarmed ships :) Can't blame some for confusing gankers and pirates m8, clear skies to you!

Ah, someone who doesn't assume. I like you, sir.

OK, let me clarify my views on miners for the ones who are/do assume.

Until the other day, I've never ganked miners. I mean, what is the point? Industrial ships carrying good loot is worth ganking over - that I can understand. But miners? No. The loot is not worth it in my opinion. Even in our Merc Corp we tend not to bother with mining ships, unless we decide that they are too stupid to be allowed to mine while a war is going on. Plus I really don't like them on my killmails. They are just 'Meh'

Being mainly a Wormhole Corp, I have come across A LOT of mining ships in neighboring 'Holes... but I really don't bother with them. There's no fun in killing defenselessness ships unless you know they are carrying good lootz or are a war-target. However, if I see one in 'my' WH chipping away at 'my' Grav sites then I will look to attack. Afterall, the ship is in my dwelling. I'm sure even miners will agree that, in this instance, killing a mining vessel in 'my own' space is fair enough. So I don't count that as griefing.

I am, however, guilty of ganking one mining ship in HS the other day, which is what got me thinking about this making this post. But the reason for that was just to see what the hype was about. I found no buzz. I prob won't do it again. And even after it happened I PM'd the pilot and gave him the ISK back for his loss plus a great % more in compensation. Why? Well, he was ranting in local about unsubbing cos I had just killed everything he had and I really don't want anyone to unsub over losing a ship. Secondly, he turned out to be relatively new so I offered him this experience as a lesson-learnt-the-hard-way and wanted him to have a second chance. No, I wasn't telling him how he should be playing - I just took the time to explain how to be better at his current chosen game-style. So, looking at it from one point of view, I prob did him a favour by ganking his ship. 'Cos I bet if I passed him by, the next gank-bear wouldn't have done the above and possibly encouraged him to unsub when he whined in Local.

TL;DR - I'm not a gank-bear, unless one intrudes into my WH. However, I did it once to see what the buzz was about. I didn't like it and compensated the miner.

Additional: this thread has gone off track, lol

EDIT: Grammar!

A miner with maxed out skills on two hulks and 1 orca, will fill that orca in about 40min. That's a little more then 7.11 cans. Maxed skilled hulk pilots are not much of a problem, takes only halve a year. The orca is a different problem because it needs quite a few skills in leadership. Prices may or may not keep going up depending on how good CCP is with nuking bots from orbit.

You can make the math yourself how valuable those 7.11 cans of highsec ore will become when you compare that income with a lvl4 mission runner with two or three accounts.

PLEX prices play a role as well. Mining scales quite well with accounts but you have to spend more time in a belt before you make any ISK if you PLEX with any miner you add. In the end PLEX define a baseline for the value of a can of ore. So you even have CCPs marketing meddling with ship prices.

There will be quite a few well skilled miners move to 0.0 when loot drops are nerfed. At least until CCP solves the compression problem. It is hard to predict but I strongly doubt that we see a bubble right now. There are simply to many reasons right now why mineral prices could go up.