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Baba Yagas The Initiative. 20
Arthur Hellsing Baba Yagas The Initiative. Likes received: 20	#1 - 2012-04-13 20:14:11 UTC Is there a ship that shield tanks and uses energy based weapons for fighting? I browsed the market for over an hour and could not find one. Anyone know what ship can do this well? (Getting bonuses from the ship class skill for weapons dmg, or fire rate, etc.)

Shovel Bros 2,175
mxzf Shovel Bros Likes received: 2,175	#2 - 2012-04-13 20:22:46 UTC Sansha ships maybe? Is that what you were looking for (laser boats built for shield tanking)?

Lost Greybeard

Drunken Yordles

Likes received: 716

#3 - 2012-04-13 20:23:25 UTC

Arthur Hellsing wrote:

Is there a ship that shield tanks and uses energy based weapons for fighting? I browsed the market for over an hour and could not find one. Anyone know what ship can do this well? (Getting bonuses from the ship class skill for weapons dmg, or fire rate, etc.)

That would be the province of the Sansha pirate faction, I believe.

Ex: Phantasm

Special Ability: 100% bonus to Medium Energy Turret damage
Amarr Cruiser Skill Bonus: 7.5% bonus to Medium Energy Turret tracking per level
Caldari Cruiser Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to Medium Energy Turret damage per level

Shield base HP: 2400

Mid slots: 6

Weirdly the primary resists are still on the armor, but you can't win 'em all. Still better for shield tank than armor.

Aliastra Gallente Federation 276
Buzzmong Aliastra Gallente Federation Likes received: 276	#4 - 2012-04-13 20:25:35 UTC You spent over an hour looking at the market and you didn't come across the Sansha ships? Blimey. I think you might need glasses, or new ones if you already have them.

Rifterlings 3,297
Petrus Blackshell Rifterlings Likes received: 3,297	#5 - 2012-04-13 20:26:58 UTC Sansha ships do: Succubus, Phantasm, Nightmare. I have also seen an arguably successful Myrmidon setup involving a shield tank and lasers. Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)

Katalci

Kismesis

Likes received: 144

#6 - 2012-04-15 01:32:05 UTC | Edited by: Katalci

Arthur Hellsing wrote:

Weirdly the primary resists are still on the armor, but you can't win 'em all. Still better for shield tank than armor.

Unhardened t1 armor resists are better than t1 shield

Petrus Blackshell wrote:

Sansha ships do: Succubus, Phantasm, Nightmare.

I have also seen an arguably successful Myrmidon setup involving a shield tank and lasers.

Please link this comedy killmail.

The Scope Gallente Federation 18
Jorma Amatin The Scope Gallente Federation Likes received: 18	#7 - 2012-04-15 02:15:34 UTC I've seen the battleclinic fits for shield modules in the midslots, but usually people either will fit projectiles on them or hybrids. But as the topic has already answered, sansha ships fly shield tanked and laser-based. The way they can run the capacitor need is because they have their role bonus (like the nightmare's marauder-like bonus).

en Welle Shipping Inc. 1,380
Corina Jarr en Welle Shipping Inc. Likes received: 1,380	#8 - 2012-04-15 03:50:57 UTC Supposedly a Harb can be fit for a shield tank. But really, go with Sansha if you like shields and lasers. Me personally... I armor tank my Sansha stuff. Still working on one for the Phantasm...

James Amril-Kesh

Viziam

Amarr Empire

Likes received: 11,532

#9 - 2012-04-15 05:17:47 UTC | Edited by: James Amril-Kesh

The Apocalypse and Apocalypse Navy Issue can actually make pretty decent shield tanked fits.

Compare these two fits:

[Apocalypse, Passive Shield Apoc]
Damage Control II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L

Large Algid Energy Administrations Unit I
Large Core Defense Field Extender I
Large Core Defense Field Extender I

and

[Apocalypse, Passive Armor Apoc]
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Damage Control II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II

Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script

Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L

Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I

CPU makes it difficult to fit Amarr ships for shield (as well as the obvious lack of mid slots) but even without the third large CDFE the shield Apocalypse manages to hit about 94.8k EHP, compared to the armor's 99k. Both do the same amount of damage but the shield Apoc has better damage projection because of the three TEs.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Aluka 7th

Likes received: 211

#10 - 2012-04-15 06:45:00 UTC | Edited by: Aluka 7th

You "can" shield tank anything but rule of thumb is that ship with more mid slots then low slots and/or more shield HP then armor hp are meant to be shield tanked.
Pirate faction ships that use skill of Amarr and Caldari are what you need like people said before:
Nightmare
Phantasm
Succubus
And only Nightmare can use active shield tank well, other two are better when passive shield tanked.

ShahFluffers

Ice Fire Warriors

Likes received: 11,726

#11 - 2012-04-15 07:54:12 UTC | Edited by: ShahFluffers

Katalci wrote:

Petrus Blackshell wrote:

Sansha ships do: Succubus, Phantasm, Nightmare.

I have also seen an arguably successful Myrmidon setup involving a shield tank and lasers.

Please link this comedy killmail.

It's actually not as dumb as it sounds. The Myrm doesn't have any turret bonuses so you can use whatever weapon system you'd like (sans missiles). The only problem you really have that your capacitor power might die before the fight is over.

[Myrmidon - SexyshieldsofBeamingDestruction]

[Highs]
Heavy Pulse Laser II (Multifrequency)
Heavy Pulse Laser II (Multifrequency)
Heavy Pulse Laser II (Multifrequency)
Heavy Pulse Laser II (Multifrequency)
Heavy Pulse Laser II (Multifrequency)
Heavy Pulse Laser II (Multifrequency)

[Mids]
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Extender I
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Extender I
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Warp Disruptor II
Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I

[Lows]
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Reactor Control Unit II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Damage Control II

[Rigs]
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Core Defense Shield Extender I
Medium Core Defense Shield Extender I

[Drones]
1x Hobgoblin II
2x Valkyrie II
2x Berserker II

Notes:
- VERY tight fit... it needs the skills Advanced Weapon Upgrades and Shield Upgrades to level 5.
- Has around 55k EHP.
- Deals around 500 DPS (~300 of which comes from turrets alone) around 10km.
- Using Scorch ammo you can hit out to 30km.

How did you Veterans start?

Creatively Applied Violence Inc. 132
Exploited Engineer Creatively Applied Violence Inc. Likes received: 132	#12 - 2012-04-15 08:22:52 UTC Laser Rokh?

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Wyte Ragnarok Likes received: 65	#13 - 2012-04-15 11:23:15 UTC ShahFluffers wrote: It's actually not as dumb as it sounds. The Myrm doesn't have any turret bonuses so you can use whatever weapon system you'd like (sans missiles). The only problem you really have that your capacitor power might die before the fight is over. It actually is as dumb as it sounds, please meet my neuts. If anything, fit autocannons on a Myrm.

Indefinite Mass 42
Tash'k Omar Indefinite Mass Likes received: 42	#14 - 2012-04-15 11:38:49 UTC Arthur Hellsing wrote: Is there a ship that shield tanks and uses energy based weapons for fighting? I browsed the market for over an hour and could not find one. Anyone know what ship can do this well? (Getting bonuses from the ship class skill for weapons dmg, or fire rate, etc.) Nightmare.

Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 63
Annie Anomie Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation Likes received: 63	#15 - 2012-04-15 12:50:29 UTC Succubus, Pantasm, Nightmare Omen, Harbinger, Zealot Merlin, Moa Rax

Petrus Blackshell

Rifterlings

Likes received: 3,297

#16 - 2012-04-15 18:52:14 UTC

Katalci wrote:

Please link this comedy killmail.

I tried flying it myself once, but ran headfirst into a Mach. http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=10867925

It's like a nano cane that is a bit slower and a bit tankier, but with a ton more damage. It also lent itself to an awesome screenshot. http://www.rifterlings.com/gallery/var/albums/gallente-victor.jpg

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)

Perihelion Olenard

Likes received: 210

#17 - 2012-04-16 11:16:07 UTC

Petrus Blackshell wrote:

Katalci wrote:

Please link this comedy killmail.

Unfortunately, you still would have been destroyed if that machariel wasn't there.

Ships & Modules

Baba Yagas

The Initiative.

Shovel Bros

Drunken Yordles

Aliastra

Gallente Federation

Rifterlings

Kismesis

The Scope

Gallente Federation

en Welle Shipping Inc.

Viziam

Amarr Empire

Ice Fire Warriors

Creatively Applied Violence Inc.

Indefinite Mass

Federal Navy Academy

Gallente Federation