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Anaesthera
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2011-09-28 00:08:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Anaesthera
I was under the impression that marauders are well suited for missions and pve combat. So I purchased one and set off into a level 4 mission.

I almost lost a 700m isk ship under 5 minutes. The armor melted like butter, the drone bandwidth limited me to like 3 drones, cap lasted about 3 minutes, and the DPS was crap. Granted, the entire room was aggro'd, but I've dealt with that before with no issues. I returned in an Ishtar and cleaned up, with the rats never breaking the tank the whole mission.

So what's the deal with this ship?


This is one of the fits I tried:
High:
4x 425mm Railgun II
2x Small Tractor Beam I
1x Salvager

Med:
1x Cap Recharger II
2x Tracking Computer I
1x Stasis Webifier

Low:
2x Armor Explosive Hardener II
1x Large Armor Repairer II
1x Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
3x Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Rig:
1x Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
NoNah
Hyper-Nova
#2 - 2011-09-28 00:11:21 UTC
You broght a partially fitted ship infamous for being the worst in it's class - from a faction infamous for having the worst missionships - using tech one unnamed modules failing to understand how drones work in a random mission.

And you're suprised it didn't excel?
Anaesthera
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2011-09-28 00:13:34 UTC
NoNah wrote:
You broght a partially fitted ship infamous for being the worst in it's class - from a faction infamous for having the worst missionships - using tech one unnamed modules failing to understand how drones work in a random mission.

And you're suprised it didn't excel?


I don't know what you're talking about.... Besides the rig, tractor and salvager, it's all Tech 2
Sin Meng
Catskull Horizons
Grimskulls
#4 - 2011-09-28 00:17:53 UTC
I tried the Kronos and while I certainly had no issues whatsoever with its tank, it simply couldn't outperform my Vargur in any way. No offense but I'm going to go with user error on the meltling like butter part. And if you're going to deal with marauders I would highly recommend investing in cap injection over passive recharge.

Elements of the past and the future combining to make something not quite as good as either.
Anaesthera
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2011-09-28 00:20:19 UTC
Sin Meng wrote:
I tried the Kronos and while I certainly had no issues whatsoever with its tank, it simply couldn't outperform my Vargur in any way. No offense but I'm going to go with user error on the meltling like butter part. And if you're going to deal with marauders I would highly recommend investing in cap injection over passive recharge.


I tried the injector fit as well, didn't help the armor. Maybe I should have used repper drones
Roosterton
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2011-09-28 00:34:51 UTC
Anaesthera wrote:
Sin Meng wrote:
I tried the Kronos and while I certainly had no issues whatsoever with its tank, it simply couldn't outperform my Vargur in any way. No offense but I'm going to go with user error on the meltling like butter part. And if you're going to deal with marauders I would highly recommend investing in cap injection over passive recharge.


I tried the injector fit as well, didn't help the armor. Maybe I should have used repper drones


Not sure if srs.

Repper drones don't work on yourself.
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#7 - 2011-09-28 00:56:59 UTC
I have to agree with the previous "Not sure if serious".

In the odd chance you are serious though, try something more like this. 1k+ DPS (1300 with Void) and insta-death to pretty much anything that strays within 14km and still over 100k EHP and 669 DPS tank (against Serpentis, and 125k and 850 DPS against Guristas if you trade a Therm hardner for Kin, which are the main things you should be fighting in a Kronos anyways).

[Kronos, New Setup 1]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Large Armor Repairer II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Damage Control II

Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Core C-Type 100MN Afterburner

Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Antimatter Charge L
Salvager I
Small Tractor Beam I
Small Tractor Beam I

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Hybrid Collision Accelerator I


Ogre II x2
Hammerhead II x2
Hobgoblin II x1
General Trajan
State War Academy
Caldari State
#8 - 2011-09-28 02:54:31 UTC
Anaesthera wrote:

So what's the deal with this ship?


before we go any further we need to know why in the hell you decided to be a cheap skate AFTER spending 700 Mil on a marauder hull.

only one T1 rig? T1 no named mods on a freakin marauder? the rats actually would have done you a big favor. seriously.
Shadowsword
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2011-09-28 05:34:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Shadowsword
Anaesthera wrote:

I almost lost a 700m isk ship under 5 minutes. The armor melted like butter, the drone bandwidth limited me to like 3 drones, cap lasted about 3 minutes, and the DPS was crap. Granted, the entire room was aggro'd, but I've dealt with that before with no issues. I returned in an Ishtar and cleaned up, with the rats never breaking the tank the whole mission.

So what's the deal with this ship?



Your comment about being limited by bandwidth to 3 drones was an eye opener. Face it, you tried to use it like an overgrown Ishtar. But it's not one.

You don't use 3 heavies on a Kronos.
And you don't aggro a whole room either.


The Kronos suffer from hybrids being subpar atm, but the ship itself is fine. IF you know how to use it.

PS: Fed navy web is mandatory on a gun marauder.
Uzbeg Khan
Henehen Conflict Logistics
#10 - 2011-09-28 08:27:56 UTC
Shadowsword wrote:
Anaesthera wrote:

I almost lost a 700m isk ship under 5 minutes. The armor melted like butter, the drone bandwidth limited me to like 3 drones, cap lasted about 3 minutes, and the DPS was crap. Granted, the entire room was aggro'd, but I've dealt with that before with no issues. I returned in an Ishtar and cleaned up, with the rats never breaking the tank the whole mission.

So what's the deal with this ship?



Your comment about being limited by bandwidth to 3 drones was an eye opener. Face it, you tried to use it like an overgrown Ishtar. But it's not one.

You don't use 3 heavies on a Kronos.
And you don't aggro a whole room either.


The Kronos suffer from hybrids being subpar atm, but the ship itself is fine. IF you know how to use it.

PS: Fed navy web is mandatory on a gun marauder.


I have guns on my Vargur, and can't for the life of me think of a reason to fit a web :p

Things I hate: - Signatures - Irony - Lists
Tore Smith
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#11 - 2011-09-28 08:41:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Tore Smith
i can partly understand the heat you're taking in the replys, for not taking the time and checking out how to fly this ship before buying it. on the other hand ignorance is bliss, so as someone who flies a kronos on a regular basis but only against serp/gur/merc rats, here are some tips:

- as pointed out above already, this is not a drone boat. its a gun boat and you have to fly it accordingly. namely gank it out as much you can and be careful with the triggers. dont aggro whole rooms, but let your gank do the tanking and eliminate individual groups real fast.

- blaster setups can be a blast (haha) for some selected missions or sanctums. mostly though you will want a rail setup, even with rails sucking at the moment. but if there are ships that can make rails work in pve its kronos and vindi.

concerning the fit:

- dont be cheap on a ship were the hull already is expensive. you need navy web and navy dmg mods. a faction rep makes sense also. rest can be t2 in my book (rigs also!).

- make it a boosted setup. marauders have a huge cargo bay, so use it. this gives you room, to actually put some useful rigs on this ship (dmg and rep).

- rails have poor tracking. mids should therefore be 2 tcs, 1 web, 1 heavy booster.

- a rail kronos does not need to move much. so adjust your drone choice. use 3 sentries and put a drone link in one of the high slots.

to sum it up, a well fit kronos will push 800 dps easily with guns only (my skill give me 815 including 1 CX implant). this makes it a real contender against even the golem, because its not so tedious to fly. guns deliver instant dmg and you will want them un-grouped to minimize overkill dmg.

so dont give up on the kronos yet, its not as bad as everybody says.

ps: for guristas i prefer the vindi with basically the same fit because of its naturally higher sensor strength.
Cryissa
Caldari Navy Operations
#12 - 2011-09-28 09:38:29 UTC
Should be no problem setting up the Kronos to tank a whole room. Only problem I see is having a setup good enough to tank (which isnt a problem) vs clearing the room in a good amount of time. What that set up is? I don't know I fly the Golem but I can fly the Kronos I just haven't bought one. I think of Hybrid's were better id give it a try but with my skills in both missile and hybrids being maxed out and missiles working ill be sticking with my Golem.

With that said a corp friend flies the Paladin which in some ways is like the Kronos (Losely) only in the armour tanking of course. You get the tracking boost on teh Kronos but even with the Paladin it works well when say he tanks and we do level's 4's together with me flying a quicker ship or at times we boost each other and I fly a drone boat while he concentrates on the BS class rats while I do cruiers and frigates. Room's get cleared very fast indeed.

So all in all I would find even my skills would be about to fit and fly the Kronos and live but would take too long for me.
Fabulous Virgil
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2011-09-28 10:21:28 UTC
proly shouldn't have put a gallente armor tanker vs angels on the first mission if you're bad at running l4s, just sayin' you're bad at the game, you should be taking baby steps, don't jump the deep end l4s r hard k
NoNah
Hyper-Nova
#14 - 2011-09-28 10:30:44 UTC
Anaesthera wrote:
NoNah wrote:
You broght a partially fitted ship infamous for being the worst in it's class - from a faction infamous for having the worst missionships - using tech one unnamed modules failing to understand how drones work in a random mission.

And you're suprised it didn't excel?


I don't know what you're talking about.... Besides the rig, tractor and salvager, it's all Tech 2


Granted you list "Tracking Computer I" and "Stasis Webifier"(Note that this is the same method you used to indicate the salvager was tech 1). And you replied to a tiny portion of the issue.

- Kronos is still the worst marauder.
- Gallente is still the faction running missions the slowest.
- The ship is still not fully fitted.
- You still imply you were using 3 heavy or sentry drones and no light/medium
- The information regarding the mission is inexistant - for all we know you could be doing factional warfare missions
vorneus
Hub2
#15 - 2011-09-28 12:14:19 UTC
NoNah wrote:
Granted you list "Tracking Computer I" and "Stasis Webifier"(Note that this is the same method you used to indicate the salvager was tech 1). And you replied to a tiny portion of the issue.

- Kronos is still the worst marauder.
- Gallente is still the faction running missions the slowest.
- The ship is still not fully fitted.
- You still imply you were using 3 heavy or sentry drones and no light/medium
- The information regarding the mission is inexistant - for all we know you could be doing factional warfare missions



I don't really have a lot to say on the fact this guy bought a marauder after "hearing marauders were good for missions" and failed miserably, but I just wanted to point out the underlined portion of the above quote.

Have you ever heard of a Dominix?

:)

-Ed

This one time, I like, totally did some stuff.
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#16 - 2011-09-28 12:43:09 UTC
Rails suck anyway.

Cross train minmatar

Buy Maelstorm

Fit 800's

Fit TE's and Gyros

Pop the entire room (really fast and don't forget to bm 1wreck per room)

Repeat 5 or 6 times

Pick your forum alt trroll : Loot/reprocess/salvage

Profit

Reward: 700M not spent on something that doesn't even deserve to undock: If you really have that much to spend send it to me I'll buy one Vindi just for the fun of shield tank it.
Uriel Winston
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2011-09-28 14:07:14 UTC
vorneus wrote:
NoNah wrote:
Granted you list "Tracking Computer I" and "Stasis Webifier"(Note that this is the same method you used to indicate the salvager was tech 1). And you replied to a tiny portion of the issue.

- Kronos is still the worst marauder.
- Gallente is still the faction running missions the slowest.
- The ship is still not fully fitted.
- You still imply you were using 3 heavy or sentry drones and no light/medium
- The information regarding the mission is inexistant - for all we know you could be doing factional warfare missions



I don't really have a lot to say on the fact this guy bought a marauder after "hearing marauders were good for missions" and failed miserably, but I just wanted to point out the underlined portion of the above quote.

Have you ever heard of a Dominix?

:)

-Ed



He is right you know.

Dominix may be a potent-easy way to run missions however its still SLOW.

cant be compared to a maelstrom (dont even compare it to mach/tengu/nm)
Aamrr
#18 - 2011-09-28 14:15:57 UTC
Uriel Winston wrote:
cant be compared to a maelstrom (dont even compare it to mach/tengu/nm)


I've flown a Nightmare. I haven't flown a Machariel, but the numbers lead me to believe it's at least as good as the Nightmare in its respective environment. And I have flown the Tengu. Maybe it's just me, but I don't think the Tengu is quite deserving of being grouped with the Nightmare or Machariel. There's a pretty big difference between 700 DPS and 1000.
Tabernack en Chasteaux
Phoibe Enterprises
#19 - 2011-09-28 15:24:28 UTC
Uriel Winston wrote:
Dominix may be a potent-easy way to run missions however its still SLOW.


QFT. Your missions will be slow as balls, but you will never ever die. Also, you can go eat dinner and come back to a finished mission.

And even if you're busy fapping and forget to turn your tank on, you're out less than 100M isk.
Anaesthera
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2011-09-28 15:41:30 UTC
Tore Smith wrote:
i can partly understand the heat you're taking in the replys, for not taking the time and checking out how to fly this ship before buying it. on the other hand ignorance is bliss, so as someone who flies a kronos on a regular basis but only against serp/gur/merc rats, here are some tips:

- as pointed out above already, this is not a drone boat. its a gun boat and you have to fly it accordingly. namely gank it out as much you can and be careful with the triggers. dont aggro whole rooms, but let your gank do the tanking and eliminate individual groups real fast.

- blaster setups can be a blast (haha) for some selected missions or sanctums. mostly though you will want a rail setup, even with rails sucking at the moment. but if there are ships that can make rails work in pve its kronos and vindi.

concerning the fit:

- dont be cheap on a ship were the hull already is expensive. you need navy web and navy dmg mods. a faction rep makes sense also. rest can be t2 in my book (rigs also!).

- make it a boosted setup. marauders have a huge cargo bay, so use it. this gives you room, to actually put some useful rigs on this ship (dmg and rep).

- rails have poor tracking. mids should therefore be 2 tcs, 1 web, 1 heavy booster.

- a rail kronos does not need to move much. so adjust your drone choice. use 3 sentries and put a drone link in one of the high slots.

to sum it up, a well fit kronos will push 800 dps easily with guns only (my skill give me 815 including 1 CX implant). this makes it a real contender against even the golem, because its not so tedious to fly. guns deliver instant dmg and you will want them un-grouped to minimize overkill dmg.

so dont give up on the kronos yet, its not as bad as everybody says.

ps: for guristas i prefer the vindi with basically the same fit because of its naturally higher sensor strength.


I appreciate this post, thank you. Yes, I was flying this as a drone boat (being Gallente and all). I found the biggest problem was when rats closed in on me within 10km. Then my sentries were worthless, and my guns were barely scratching rats smaller than BS. I could easily handle heavy BS fire at a distance, but it turned into a scene of a million pin-pricks that drained my cap and tank when the smaller ships got too close to my ship. I was not able to kill them all fast enough, even when webbed.
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