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PVP getting hurt by the changes?
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Serene Repose
#21 - 2012-04-12 05:02:57 UTC
Oh...so trade isn't a form of PvP after all? C'mon. I thought you LIKED PvP!

We must accommodate the idiocracy.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#22 - 2012-04-12 05:41:45 UTC
Vince Snetterton wrote:
Darth Tickles wrote:
We throw away 100s of battleships at a time without blinking. Everyone has deadspace-fit faction battleships for ratting. There are 800 titans in the game. There are entire fleets of hundreds of T3s Eve was spiraling towards mudflation, and CCP actually had the balls and foresight to step up and stop it before it ruined the game.

This wasn't some random decision to make the game worse; it was a deliberate and considered decision to make the game better.


When you say "we", you mean the null sec alliances, yes?
I don't see empire battles using fleets of T3's.

And guess what, null sec income is barely getting touched by the econ nerf.
They lose 10% bounties across the board, but gain hugely on minerals.

High sec gets hammered, except for the increased value of low end minerals.

As someone already said, don't worry, null sec will be just fine.
The rich null sec alliances just became more entrenched as NO ONE will be able to amass enough wealth to take them on.


No, everybody. Especially empire wardeccers fly T3s and faction battleships, with HG Slaves. Wormhole fleets have consisted of T3s for a long time, and they, like pirate faction ships, are an everyday sight in low sec too.

One day you will understand that areas with different security status are nothing more than that- they just mark the borders of various levels of CONCORD presence. Most people travel freely in the universe. You should try it, too.


And well spoken, sir Tickles.

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Joran Dravius
Doomheim
#23 - 2012-04-12 05:46:55 UTC
Barbara Nichole wrote:
Darth Tickles wrote:
You mean there will actually be more REWARD for the relative higher RISK of nullsec over hisec?

Oh no.

wolololololol

Also an intended change. Deal wiz it.



I'd like to see a statistical break down of sec where hulks are lost to test your ...idea. I wonder if more hulks are lost in null sec or high sec.

I have no doubt high sec would have more hulk kills at the moment, because there's not much of a point for them to be in null in the first place.
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#24 - 2012-04-12 06:34:38 UTC
Maybe if people stopped ganking miners all the time, mineral prices might start stabilizing.

Katrina Oniseki
Copine Callmeknau
Dirty Vagrants
Intergalactic Space Hobos
#25 - 2012-04-12 06:42:56 UTC
Be better at PvP, then ship losses won't be an issue

There should be a rather awesome pic here
Pillowtalk
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2012-04-12 09:47:24 UTC
Darth Tickles wrote:
You mean there will actually be more REWARD for the relative higher RISK of nullsec over hisec?

Oh no.

wolololololol

Also an intended change. Deal wiz it.


Higher risk of null sec. Lol funniest thing I've heard all week.

Don't violence me bro!
Falin Whalen
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2012-04-12 15:40:44 UTC
Pillowtalk wrote:
Darth Tickles wrote:
You mean there will actually be more REWARD for the relative higher RISK of nullsec over hisec?

Oh no.

wolololololol

Also an intended change. Deal wiz it.


Higher risk of null sec. Lol funniest thing I've heard all week.
Well if you think Nullsec is so safe, why don't you join a nullsec alliance and come reap the rewards of nullsec then. I find it funny that the people who complain about nullsec being so safe, wouldn't set foot in nullsec because it is so dangerous.

"it's only because of their stupidity that they're able to be so sure of themselves." The Trial - Franz Kafka 
Zyress
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#28 - 2012-04-12 15:53:29 UTC
Pillowtalk wrote:
Darth Tickles wrote:
You mean there will actually be more REWARD for the relative higher RISK of nullsec over hisec?

Oh no.

wolololololol

Also an intended change. Deal wiz it.


Higher risk of null sec. Lol funniest thing I've heard all week.


The only real risk in null-sec is traveling between there and hi-sec. Once you are there, you're home free. If anything the risk you endure while in your null-sec system is significantly less than you endure in hi-sec.
Zyress
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#29 - 2012-04-12 15:54:32 UTC
Falin Whalen wrote:
Pillowtalk wrote:
Darth Tickles wrote:
You mean there will actually be more REWARD for the relative higher RISK of nullsec over hisec?

Oh no.

wolololololol

Also an intended change. Deal wiz it.


Higher risk of null sec. Lol funniest thing I've heard all week.
Well if you think Nullsec is so safe, why don't you join a nullsec alliance and come reap the rewards of nullsec then. I find it funny that the people who complain about nullsec being so safe, wouldn't set foot in nullsec because it is so dangerous.


Been there, entirely too limited and boring.
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#30 - 2012-04-12 15:56:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Darth Gustav
Zyress wrote:
Pillowtalk wrote:
Darth Tickles wrote:
You mean there will actually be more REWARD for the relative higher RISK of nullsec over hisec?

Oh no.

wolololololol

Also an intended change. Deal wiz it.


Higher risk of null sec. Lol funniest thing I've heard all week.


The only real risk in null-sec is traveling between there and hi-sec. Once you are there, you're home free. If anything the risk you endure while in your null-sec system is significantly less than you endure in hi-sec.

Thanks to our dependence on other players for intel etc.

Without that structure, null-sec becomes very dangerous again.

Who do high-sec filth depend on? Oh right, they depend on rules lawyers and CCP's willingness to listen to them.

What was your point again?

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Zyress
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#31 - 2012-04-12 16:02:27 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:
Zyress wrote:
Pillowtalk wrote:
Darth Tickles wrote:
You mean there will actually be more REWARD for the relative higher RISK of nullsec over hisec?

Oh no.

wolololololol

Also an intended change. Deal wiz it.


Higher risk of null sec. Lol funniest thing I've heard all week.


The only real risk in null-sec is traveling between there and hi-sec. Once you are there, you're home free. If anything the risk you endure while in your null-sec system is significantly less than you endure in hi-sec.

Thanks to our dependence on other players for intel etc.

Without that structure, null-sec becomes very dangerous again.

Who do high-sec filth depend on? Oh right, they depend on rules lawyers and CCP's willingness to listen to them.

What was your point again?


How are those rules, lawyers and CCP's willingness to listen to them working out for them? I've never heard of a miner getting his ganked hulk back. You know when hostiles are coming in null-sec before they ever enter the system. You know about a hostile in hi-sec when he targets you. The danger level in nullsec is really nonexistent as long as you pay attention.
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#32 - 2012-04-12 16:06:11 UTC
Zyress wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
Zyress wrote:
Pillowtalk wrote:
Darth Tickles wrote:
You mean there will actually be more REWARD for the relative higher RISK of nullsec over hisec?

Oh no.

wolololololol

Also an intended change. Deal wiz it.


Higher risk of null sec. Lol funniest thing I've heard all week.


The only real risk in null-sec is traveling between there and hi-sec. Once you are there, you're home free. If anything the risk you endure while in your null-sec system is significantly less than you endure in hi-sec.

Thanks to our dependence on other players for intel etc.

Without that structure, null-sec becomes very dangerous again.

Who do high-sec filth depend on? Oh right, they depend on rules lawyers and CCP's willingness to listen to them.

What was your point again?


How are those rules, lawyers and CCP's willingness to listen to them working out for them? I've never heard of a miner getting his ganked hulk back. You know when hostiles are coming in null-sec before they ever enter the system. You know about a hostile in hi-sec when he targets you. The danger level in nullsec is really nonexistent as long as you pay attention.


Actually let's tally this up shall we?

Insurance for Concorded ships? Gone.

Ability to warp after GCC? Gone.

Duration before CONCORD intervention? Shortened.

Degree of Security Status Penalty? Increased.

Drone loot? Exterminated.

Honestly, it looks like the rules lawyers have a pretty good foothold in CCP's proverbial foyer to me.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#33 - 2012-04-12 16:06:17 UTC
Wait was your argument actually based on the fact that we have to pay attention? What the hell? Are they out of attention in your area of space?

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#34 - 2012-04-12 16:06:35 UTC
Honestly, you can't pay attention and be safe in Empire?

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#35 - 2012-04-12 16:07:15 UTC
How much brainpower does it take to play it safe in High-sec?

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#36 - 2012-04-12 16:07:22 UTC
Oh you like to play AFK. Yeah, we don't have **** for that in null.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Darth Tickles
Doomheim
#37 - 2012-04-12 16:13:50 UTC
It's not even a debate.

Nullsec is objectively far more risky than the hisec. Any reduction of that objective relative risk is due to player effort, knowledge, and coordination, which is a product of the competition for the supposed greater reward.

"durr hurr but mai hulk got ganked once durr" is not an argument, it is the mindless vomit response of coddled and entitled hisec forum warriors who know nothing about the game.
Virgil Travis
Non Constructive Self Management
#38 - 2012-04-12 16:13:52 UTC
Pillowtalk wrote:
Darth Tickles wrote:
You mean there will actually be more REWARD for the relative higher RISK of nullsec over hisec?

Oh no.

wolololololol

Also an intended change. Deal wiz it.


Higher risk of null sec. Lol funniest thing I've heard all week.


They don't have concord in null, any safety there is created by players themselves, working together. Perhaps force projection makes it a little too easy at times but still.

Unified Church of the Unobligated - madness in the method Mamma didn't raise no victims.
Zyress
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#39 - 2012-04-12 16:16:33 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:
Honestly, you can't pay attention and be safe in Empire?


Nobody is red in Highsec to you unless they are in a wardec against you or they have a worse than -5 security status. You can pay attention in high sec and avoid wardeccers, you can see when someone with a worse than -5 sec status enters the system, though until he's on grid with you, you don't know if like most of those guys he's just in a pod. You can pay attention for probes in the case that they are trying to get a warp in on you, but no beyond staying aligned as much as possible and hoping you can warp out before they can disrupt you, there is no intel channel to tell you there are incoming hostiles, and no way to know who is a ganker till they target you.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#40 - 2012-04-12 16:16:42 UTC
It sounds like high sec needs to have Concord removed and responsibility for making an area "safe" should be put entirely in the hands of the players, just like in Null.

Or are you merely saying that players in Null are far better and more organized than you are capable of being? Smile

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