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DUST on the PC? It's gonna happen!

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Selinate
#21 - 2012-04-11 03:22:56 UTC
I'd rather see Dust on the PC also, since the PS3 graphics are terrible in this day and age.

Do I care enough to make a thread with defined points about it though? No, I have a PS3 and will be using it for Dust without much thought.
Niko DelValle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2012-04-11 04:11:22 UTC
Not to mention, like I said, who the hell cares about the graphics. If the game is good, no one cares.
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Taedrin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2012-04-11 04:47:34 UTC
Dear OP:

The main barrier to porting from console to PC is the ENGINE itself - not mere balance issues which can be solved by segregating PC and console gamers. The main reason why we should be hopeful for a PC version isn't because DUST 514 has keyboard+mouse support, but is instead the fact that DUST 514 utilizes the Unreal Engine which is known to be highly portable.
Selinate
#24 - 2012-04-11 04:55:28 UTC
Niko DelValle wrote:
Not to mention, like I said, why should I care about graphics? If the game is good, I don't care.


FYP. A lot of people do care, and they don't care what your opinion is about the graphics either.
Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2012-04-11 06:35:53 UTC
2bhammered wrote:
Consoles will be dead in a year or 2 anyway. They might as well have worked with Apple or Android on this, or as OP hints at, PC!


this made me lol.
console get more sales then PC, what company doesn't want money.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#26 - 2012-04-11 06:40:13 UTC
If DUST on PC does happen, I will have to make good on my promise to perform sexual favors for all CCP personnel.

Best they not know about this.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Horatius Caul
Kitzless
#27 - 2012-04-11 09:13:48 UTC
Natassia Krasnoo wrote:

1.) Dust as a console exclusive that interacts and affects the EVE universe directly simply doesn't make sense due to the typical life of a console shooter compared to the life of EVE.
Irrelevant. DUST is not a typical shooter. Other shooters are built to be played and forgotten, and maybe returned to when DLC drops. The companies that make these games try to wring as much dosh from the players as possible before they drop by pricing their games crazy high and calling them "triple-A" to validate it (yes, I know CCP keeps drilling that buzzword, and it make me want to cut myself).

DUST is constructed differently from the fundaments of game design. Where other companies built for abandonment, CCP has built for retention and loyalty. The simple fact that the game has passive skilling will likely mean DUST will have many more regularly returning players than any other shooter, as it will reward early adopters with greater access to the game as their accounts progress.

Natassia Krasnoo wrote:
2.) The life of a console game is only as good as the backwards compatability of the next gen of consoles. Few people tend to have 2 systems set out in order to play older games and will of course favor the newer console over the old. If the newer console is not backwards compatable with last gen games they get shelved to collect dust (no pun), or traded for new game credit. If the link is any indication it's not likely SONY will be doing backwards compatability in it's next gen console.
Irrelevant. CCP has already said they will continue developing DUST for future Playstation consoles. If the PS4 isn't compatible with DUST, CCP will make a version of DUST that is compatible.

Natassia Krasnoo wrote:
3.) When CCP talked about DUST at fanfest they kept saying "It will LAUNCH exclusively on the PS3. Maybe I'm reading more into this than is actually there, but an exclusive LAUNCH, and PS3 exclusive are 2 different things.
That's what they've always said, if you listen and read closely. It's not news.

Natassia Krasnoo wrote:
Maybe I'm just reaching here. It seems to me that making a console only game that interacts with a PC game, that has been around for almost 10 years and will likely be around past 2015, is not good buisness. Therefore it's a logical conclusion that DUST will come to the PC eventually, there's really not much of a choice. CCP is too smart to gamble with their hard earned money. EVE was and is built for the long haul and a console game simply doesn't fit that profile.
Yes, I agree that it's likely that DUST will come to PC at some point. However, I don't agree with your arguments.

Natassia Krasnoo wrote:
My belief is that SONY simply doesn't want any competition for PLANETSIDE 2 on the PC. Once the PLANETSIDE 2 user base is established and maybe an expansion or 2 added DUST will release for the PC.
More likely it's because Sony and CCP negotiated a timed exclusivity deal, as is common when developing games for consoles. In interviews, CCP has hinted that this is the case, but that they cannot comment on their agreements with Sony regarding that. Considering the amount of work Sony has had to do to sort out their licensing plans, agreements, back-end, etc. just to make DUST work, I think we'd be looking at an exclusivity period of at least a year.
VKhaun Vex
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#28 - 2012-04-11 10:02:27 UTC
leviticus ander wrote:
or CCP could do some modification (they are working with sony) to make it forwards compatible with the PS4/1080/whatever so that either they don't need to change anything, or have it ready to be modified in such a way to allow transfer to the upgraded platform.


This. Forward compatibility annihilates the original post.






Niko DelValle wrote:
1.) Yes it kind of does make sense if you examine it more closely. Dust 514 is a shooter, and shooters are primarily played on consoles, not PC's.


LOL WHAT

HAHA OH WOW >.<

Thanks for making my night...

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Kattshiro
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#29 - 2012-04-11 12:13:04 UTC
Niko DelValle wrote:
Not to mention, like I said, who the hell cares about the graphics. If the game is good, no one cares.



I wouldnt go that far for myself. I know many a people that you could give it 8 pixels with a +5 stick of destruction and they dont care. Graphics do help set the environment, and immersion. In certain fps they may enhance the shooting (BF3 sun glare in my eyes v. the other guy can see me just fine)

My point was driving at the developers that just wanted shiny first and everything else will be good because it's shiny. A lot of FPS games felt that to compete you needed the next greatest engine with the greatest look or == fail. Well that's the wrong idea, and games suffered due to it and drove the market else where.

Jack Paladin
State War Academy
Caldari State
#30 - 2012-04-11 13:17:19 UTC
Niko DelValle wrote:
shooters are primarily played on consoles


Dude ...... the ****

Niko DelValle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2012-04-11 13:28:50 UTC
What? You have a problem or something, because that's true. Shooters ARE primarily played on consoles and primarily purchased on them. If you have a problem with that, get a life...
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Kattshiro
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#32 - 2012-04-11 15:51:36 UTC
Shooters do outsell on consoles im afraid. Them numbers dont lie.
VKhaun Vex
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#33 - 2012-04-11 19:37:11 UTC
Kattshiro wrote:
Shooters do outsell on consoles im afraid. Them numbers dont lie.


Quantity of a game sold, = people playing shooter games at any given time?
You are defending a ridiculous statement with bad logic.

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Kattshiro
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#34 - 2012-04-11 20:39:19 UTC
You telling me 9.4 million units... and only 1million are actually bought? Or are you driving at overall more people are playing shooters on PC at any given time than consoles across all shooter games?

Oh which both would be wrong.

Also who cares if shooters sell better on console?
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2012-04-11 21:25:03 UTC
Misleading title.

CCP has stated that they will update the game to work on the new console. I still believe that DUST will eventually wind up on the PC as well but don't read into things too much.

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Niko DelValle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2012-04-12 01:31:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Niko DelValle
Kattshiro wrote:
You telling me 9.4 million units... and only 1million are actually bought? Or are you driving at overall more people are playing shooters on PC at any given time than consoles across all shooter games?

Oh which both would be wrong.

Also who cares if shooters sell better on console?


I agree, I was just making an obvious statement. Obviously, I like PC's more then consoles, but all I was doing was stating a fact. Shooters DO sell more on consoles and more people DO play them on consoles.

I mean seriously, you should compare the numbers because there is a huge discrepancy between shooters on consoles and shooters on PC's. I guarantee you'll find 3 games going on consoles for every 1 that's going on PC.

But, just like me, even if Dust comes out on PC (which, like I said, if it does, it won't be for quite a while) I will still be playing on PS3. Want to know why? Because I can afford a PS3, I cannot afford a PC even half capable of doing gaming. I play EVE on a damn netbook for Christ's sake! Wanna know why? Because that's as much as I can afford! There are a lot of people out there exactly like me. We play on consoles because that's all we can afford to do.
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VKhaun Vex
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#37 - 2012-04-12 03:23:35 UTC
Niko DelValle wrote:
I mean seriously, you should compare the numbers because there is a huge discrepancy between shooters on consoles and shooters on PC's. I guarantee you'll find 3 games going on consoles for every 1 that's going on PC


You have to be trolling if you think there are more games 'going on' on consoles considering how server hosting works, and you have not linked any numbers.

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Niko DelValle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2012-04-12 05:12:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Niko DelValle
Personal experience bud. Which is why it is so obvious.

But, if you want, I'll dig up some tomorrow morning.
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Jace Errata
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#39 - 2012-04-12 08:58:15 UTC
...You know, I always thought the "K&M compatibility" thing was just for chat and such.

Not that I wouldn't mind a PC DUST.

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Kattshiro
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#40 - 2012-04-12 12:25:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Kattshiro
VKhaun Vex wrote:
Niko DelValle wrote:
I mean seriously, you should compare the numbers because there is a huge discrepancy between shooters on consoles and shooters on PC's. I guarantee you'll find 3 games going on consoles for every 1 that's going on PC


You have to be trolling if you think there are more games 'going on' on consoles considering how server hosting works, and you have not linked any numbers.



Google top selling games... or games sales numbers by genre. PC games is the sims, wow, starcraft 1. Consoles I believe is MW2/3/blops, Halo series. Then take into account that those pc games have been selling for years and years now. (half-life 1 and 2)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_video_games

Woops I take it back blops sold 12 million... on 360 alone, and I was wrong about the PS3 top selling is GT... Then Cod series.
Woops I was wrong I googled top selling games of all time...

But once again who the **** cares? Unless this is tied to some sort of hobby validation. (Coming from a guy who plays a lot of shooters on the PC, and did upgrade to play BF3) What does it matter? You have to had known that consoles were out selling PC's which was the reasoning behind the whole "PC gaming is dead...blah blah" And that less and less people were developing for the PC, AND !!! SO MANY CONSOLE PORTS!

Edit: HOLY **** LOOK AT WII SALES... Nintendo made "**** you money" off one game alone... 76 million sales. Shocked
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