Player Features and Ideas Discussion

+1 for the suggestion to make a high-sec POS killer. Just make sure it is specific for that role.

Why not just improve Dreads so they're not completely useless?

Well if it doesn't do that. Then I don't see an reasonable value of adding it. Simple; No jump drive, it has a reason to exist. With a jump drive, it will be OP.

I really don't think the game needs T2 caps. Caps are powerful enough already-- what the game needs is a wider variety of caps whose overall capabilities are similar to existing ones but focused on different roles. Caps with T2 resists, recon-like ewar bonuses, or stacked weapon bonuses like T2 ships tend to have would be too powerful relative to subcaps IMHO.




So only there should only be a drone-based utility-cap? Beacuse having a gun-based one would be "OP?" Seriously, what's the difference? This ship is a carrier that uses guns instead of drones and trades its RR bonuses for a bit of extra damage output. If anything, carriers are "more OP" than these ships would be (since carriers can spider-tank and have tons of slots for running utility highs like bombs and neuts WHILE doing all their normal dps).

I honestly don't think these ships would perform that well vs large groups of capital ships (unless you had a ton of them and cynoed them in at sniping range off a smaller group of bubbled / sieged normal caps, I guess) due to their low EHP. If you had a much larger gang with a lot of RRing carriers alongside the gunships I guess you could kill a dread blob.

I was mostly thinking these ships would cost about the same as a carrier, and have similar (but slightly lower) defensive stats. Personally, I'd see myself using one for PvE, structure-bashing (where it's vastly inferior to a dread, but still contributes the DPS of a couple of battleships), personal logistics (it moves things just like a carrier), and small gang warfare (where you could drop one of these to provide the punch necessary to, say, kill someone's ratting capital, deal with a hostile battleship gang, or bash POCOs in hostiles' space while they're not looking).

Basically, I'd use it for all the things I've used my carriers / supercarrier for in the past. The difference is that this gunship would drop the RRing capability of a carrier in favor of additional DPS and, obviously, would use guns instead of fighters. Both platforms and weapons systems have their pros and cons, and it would be nice to be able to choose between them!

New week, new post.

No. This ship is all over the place and not that focused.

Also I find it wrong the top 10 ratters in new eden are titan pilots. i dont need them to have a plan b.

As nice as this ship sounds, and as well intentioned as it is, these will most likely just become the new hellcat/artymael/fleetbsofchoice


It's a bigger, slower, battleship with cap RR

No RR bonuses? That just means they'll have to stay within a 15km ball to keep the spider going, sure it's not a dedicated logi ship like a triage carrier but a few of them will have plenty of spider

As for the cost factor, between probably being a rich vet to be able to fly one, corp/alliance reimbursement, and insurance, I don't think many people able to fly these will have a problem dropping these things in numbers.
Besides, abaddons/mael are plenty expensive and I don't think that's slowed anyone down

I'm sure BS will still get used by the hobo's of the alliance, but anyone who can fly this properly will be able to afford it and will most likely use it
You'll probably see your ideal tracking fit ditched in favour of buffer/gank with tracking link logi's

Also the SC/Titan rapetrain you are talking about doesn't really occur in lowsec, making this ship the obvious choice for anything piratey

I would personally love the concept of ship you are talking about, a gunboat with personal logistics capability, but in the form you are talking it's probably too overpowered in that it covers too many roles too easily

I'd maybe +1 if it had no utility slots, and instead of a 125% tracking bonus, had a module similar to siege that gave a 150-200% tracking bonus, in exchange for locked in place for 2min and no logi support

I guess I'm just really confused as to why you think these would be incredibly overpowered when carriers already exist that:

- RR each other better
- Tank better
- Hit subcaps better (fighters for BC and up, sentries / "light" drones for smaller)
- Can triage to provide insane logistics support to a subcap fleet supporting them
- Have "all" utility highs

I don't really buy the argument that these ships would be "too good at too many things" when carriers will still be the more-flexible ship.

Alos, my "rough stats" / whatever were just a suggestion. Obviously CCP can do whatever they feel is appropriate while designing these ships. I'm just saying that there's missing ship in the cap lineup: a gun-based, multi-role, affordable capship that people can buy and use in a variety of situations. In short, something useful and fun with guns!


With regard to the idea of using damage-bonused large guns, I think that's a poor idea. Doing so would allow seriously overpowered setups (the 2500 dps pulse-Apoc, anyone?) that would blap everything bigger than a frigate right off the field.