Player Features and Ideas Discussion

So you convert one form of currency to another.

It doesn't even take time to train skills in EVE. Not real life time, just waiting time. No actual effort is put in.

What are you on?

Waiting time is still TIME. If it didn't take time, why do I still have over two weeks left on my current skill?

Time is EVE's most valuable currency. You do not understand how this game works.

Go away.

Time isn't a resource. People don't sell time. They sell skills, like lifting up a rock or programming a computer. They don't sell time. A vegetable's time is worthless. It takes all the skills of a partial-vegetable (IE logging on) to play EVE and train up skills if that is your only goal, which is why the character bazaar is demented.

And once again, if somehow the skills of a comatose were a currency, WHAT CURRENCY IN THE WORLD CANNOT BE TRADED FOR ANOTHER CURRENCY?

Currency, by definition, is meant to be traded. So why not trade some of my money for a fast-forward for something that would essentially have required zero effort anyways?

P.S. Don't cry just because you'll lose your precious character bazaar that nobody else cares for.

For the same reason that pay to win is completely rejected by most players.

There is a penalty for not paying attention to what you are training.. there is a penalty for unsubscribing for long periods of time.. that penalty is fewer skill points trained and in the right place.

The difference is, like everything in eve, SP is a market, and like every market when you dump a ton of SP on the market, you inflate the SP market, thus making the SP all the other characters have mean less.

It also destroys the progression of the game

I beg to disagree. Most of the mechanics are designed to encourage player competition in some form or another... including the economy. EVE is really a PvP game at it's core... one where money can make you powerful very quickly yet someone with time, patience, and cunning can remove it from you just as quickly... using almost no ISK at all.

Honestly... I despise the very idea of "buying" SP. The skill system was set up the way it was for a reason... and I honestly have little love for the character baazar for largely the same reason (the reason I say "little love" is because while I dislike the idea of selling characters, there are people who are going to sell them anyways. Might as well set up a secure method of transfer that keeps ISK and RL money in the game).

tl;dr: No.

Actually EVE is an economy game at it's core, not PVP or even PVE

Everything is related to time



Skills and Time:


We have skills that are trained in real time

We used to be able to buy skills that sped up training time

We can train skills that make our activities more efficient, cutting time and resources required

We can buy implants that reduce training time


Modules and Time:


There are modules that cut the cycle time of some of our activities

There are modules that increase your cargo capacity, which cuts time

There are modules that make you fly faster, warp faster, etc.


I could go on and on.... EVE is all about the management of time. Why do we want to manage time more efficiently? Because, time is money (real world and ISK). Efficient use of time is power.

As for the arguement that we already have a character bazaar, some of the posts here that support it lead me to think the game shouldn't have it. We certainly shouldn't have the buying of SP.

Who are you and where do you people come from? Has Neopets shut down and started sending all their account holders EVE's way?



Don't think so... EVE is all about choices. And the consequences of the choices that we make. Consequences -- real consequences -- is (to me at least) the number one thing that sets EVE Online apart from all other games. Pretty much everything that makes EVE unique from other games can be considered a part of "consequences". They have already made EVE "easier" with the addition of skill queues, neural remaps, the removal of learning skills, etc.



There's plenty of games out there that allow you to do things like this. Please, encourage the "kiddies" to go play one of those games instead of coming here and trying to change EVE Online. The reason a lot of people who play EVE are fanatical about our game is because it's not really like any other game out there. And a lot of us prefer to keep it that way.



If you need to buy SP to make the game more attractive for you to play, EVE is the wrong game for you and goodbye and good riddance. EVE isn't for everyone. I don't want it to be for everyone. I hope to god CCP never tries to make it appeal to everyone. You want to eliminate one of the very core features that make EVE unique among the gaming industry. Why would you want to do that? Why would you want to change something in a way that would make the game you play (and more importantly, the game I play) less unique and more like other MMOs?



Let them insta train somewhere else, in some other game. I like that idea best. Or play EVE Online and if suddenly you decide you want to train AWU to level 5 to make that ultra tight fit work, have fun waiting 29 days (or however long) training it.

Not really, instant gratification and high player retention rates rarely go hand in hand.

this is a bad idea.