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Abandoned/Offline POS Mechanics

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Sentinel Smith
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2012-04-11 03:19:13 UTC
Ask me they should just go poof after 30 days of being offline..

Think of it as a secure can, going poof after 30 days since last access. If you aren't keeping it up, or accessing it in some way, then bye bye..
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
#22 - 2012-04-11 03:20:45 UTC
roundtables are soooo imaginative.

Why dont abandoned POS after a month turn into drone hives. The larger the POS the deadlier they are.
The drones then will randomly attack people like an incursion system.
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#23 - 2012-04-11 03:45:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Micheal Dietrich
Scrapyard Bob wrote:
Eugene Spencer wrote:
I don't think you should be forced to have an online POS at all times. Maybe it just consumes starbase charters or something.


A reasonable compromise would indeed be "consume charters". Except that they're dirt cheap and you could just fill the fuel tank with a few year's worth.

A more ambitious design change would be to make it so that they consume a single fuel block each hour when anchored, even if not online. Which would be about 10M ISK/mo for having the tower anchored. You could still load it up with a lot of fuel (enough for a year or two), but you'd have to pay a bit more for the privilege.


Would be like minimal life support functions or something.

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Ask me they should just go poof after 30 days of being offline..

Think of it as a secure can, going poof after 30 days since last access. If you aren't keeping it up, or accessing it in some way, then bye bye..


With unachoring a player could recycle the station and put it on the market much in the sense that we salvage wrecks.

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Surge Roth
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2012-04-11 05:01:12 UTC
Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:
roundtables are soooo imaginative.

Why dont abandoned POS after a month turn into drone hives. The larger the POS the deadlier they are.
The drones then will randomly attack people like an incursion system.


Too cool for EvE
Ironwomen
Uber Awesome Fantastico Awesomeness Group
#25 - 2012-04-11 05:08:14 UTC
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=10882857

I am sure we have many more examples (I just do not feel like looking) here you got one of a corp member soloing a faction tower in a .5

Ya I mean we SO need towers to auto destory or something right?

If someone does not want to take the tower down... or can NOT take the tower down due to not enough people... leave the MMO game everything is working as it should. As said, you need standings, CCP has made it so you need to either kick everyone and lauch or have no one in the corp so you can keep putting these things up...

Not needed.
Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
#26 - 2012-04-11 05:08:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Ioci
I added this complaint to F&I twice. The threads got trolled for a day or so, then they fell in to the oblivion of page 4000.

Online it, pay the fuel or it vanishes like a GSC. The number isn't actually as high as one might think. I'd say 40% of the High sec moons have Anchors. Most are online and working. All the Anchor ones are small corps 1 to 3 people. I have a suspicion that alot are competition strategic and there to simply prevent anyone from bringing in a POS.



Ironwomen wrote:
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=10882857

I am sure we have many more examples (I just do not feel like looking) here you got one of a corp member soloing a faction tower in a .5

Ya I mean we SO need towers to auto destory or something right?

If someone does not want to take the tower down... or can NOT take the tower down due to not enough people... leave the MMO game everything is working as it should. As said, you need standings, CCP has made it so you need to either kick everyone and lauch or have no one in the corp so you can keep putting these things up...

Not needed.


Bad example. 35 Mill with a Geddon? That took how long? ATK I am sure because if a miner goes to take a **** it's justifacation to pop his ship.

R.I.P. Vile Rat
Revolution Rising
Last-Light Holdings
#27 - 2012-04-11 05:12:21 UTC
ladytrft wrote:
CCP need to introduce some kind of feature where if a POS is anchored but completely offline it can be taken. There are a huge number of towers anchored to moons that have been left to go offline. Maybe the owners stopped playing, or don't have any use for it anymore. Either way its a waste of a moon that another player/corp could use. Sure you could war dec them and try and destroy it but I feel like it could be a legitimate mechanic that an offline POS can be accessed and stolen?

There could be a grace period where if a tower goes offline it goes into a secure mode of some sort for 7 days, can still be attacked but not stolen, after that it's fair game?



If it concerns you SO much that someone left a POS up, blow it up - or pay some mercs to do so.

.
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
#28 - 2012-04-11 05:30:35 UTC
Revolution Rising wrote:

If it concerns you SO much that someone left a POS up, blow it up - or pay some mercs to do so.


Yes, because melting a iron ingot with a match box is SUCH an exciting endeavor. Sure you can pad your kill board from an abandoned object that is 2 years old and likely does not belong to anyone playing the game anymore, But just the fact that you have to sit there and pound on this antiquated space junk that still has full regenerative shields for-*******-ever just to gain access to a worthless moon so you can have access to make a few bpcs in a timely fashion is horrible entertainment.
Ironwomen
Uber Awesome Fantastico Awesomeness Group
#29 - 2012-04-11 06:25:51 UTC
Ioci wrote:
Bad example. 35 Mill with a Geddon? That took how long? ATK I am sure because if a miner goes to take a **** it's justifacation to pop his ship.


Not sure, don't care was at work for it... this is a MMO get some frineds if it takes too long... a geddon is nothing amazing, shows it can be done, that is the point it can be done. If you need a moon so bad... blow the **** up, this is again a MMO you are not ment to do things SOLO.

Tell me, when you park your car do you leave it running?
If the owner does not have a need ATM for the pos, why the **** should they need to leave it online?
I did not use my car today! Guess what I did not start it and run it for the normal daily drive time...

So we got

Solo the tower
Pay mercs
Get frineds
Pay random people (after all the thing here is, the people can not defend it, it aint a war dec bait pos... so really any people who want to make some isk should be able to take it down)
Deal with it and HTFU that your corp fails, and eve is AGAIN a MMO.


Real fix is have CCP remove shield for offline towers, that is the fix... not this dumb **** despawn stuff.
ladytrft
Doomheim
#30 - 2012-04-11 06:40:47 UTC
Revolution Rising wrote:
ladytrft wrote:
CCP need to introduce some kind of feature where if a POS is anchored but completely offline it can be taken. There are a huge number of towers anchored to moons that have been left to go offline. Maybe the owners stopped playing, or don't have any use for it anymore. Either way its a waste of a moon that another player/corp could use. Sure you could war dec them and try and destroy it but I feel like it could be a legitimate mechanic that an offline POS can be accessed and stolen?

There could be a grace period where if a tower goes offline it goes into a secure mode of some sort for 7 days, can still be attacked but not stolen, after that it's fair game?



If it concerns you SO much that someone left a POS up, blow it up - or pay some mercs to do so.



lol

You're an idiot
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#31 - 2012-04-11 07:17:13 UTC
I support the idea of being able to hack a tower or bribe CONCORD to unanchor it if the tower has been offline for more than a year. There are a great many faction towers out there which cannot be replaced, it would be a shame to simply destroy them all.

Perhaps CONCORD or some other entity could be used as an auctioneer, selling the tower to the highest bidder in an untimed auction that finishes when no new bids are received for a month.

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Aggressive Nutmeg
#32 - 2012-04-11 07:23:05 UTC
It's a shame POS's need to be anchored to moons.

I know, I know. That's not going to work.

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Vagilicious
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2012-04-11 08:22:11 UTC
I think the point a lot of people are missing in the OP is to not necessarily blow the abandoned POS up, but to be able to unanchor and scoop it.

It would be nice if, say, the hacking module could be used on an offline POS to force it to unanchor, and either have a very long cycle time or a very low possibility of success with each cycle. That would give the owner of the POS time to respond, if they felt so inclined.

Hell, even tie it into the wardec mechanics if necessary so the attacking corp has the option to pewpew the tower or try to steal it.
Eugene Spencer
Set Phasers To Malky
#34 - 2012-04-11 08:55:46 UTC
It would definitely have to be part of the wardec mechanic. You can't expect to just fly around, unanchoring everything you see and making risk-free profit.

I still think simply "right click > unanchor" is unimaginative. Perhaps have some kind of time period (two months, say) where if the POS isn't put online even for just one cycle, it falls into "disrepair". After that you can salvage it, maybe requiring a Noctis (or two, or five) to salvage a tower. Guns and modules might only require one Noctis. And you'd get the materials to build the tower, you wouldn't just get a free tower.

Something like that is a bit more balanced and interesting :)

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Anya Ohaya
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#35 - 2012-04-11 09:26:41 UTC
I leave my tower anchored to stop someone coming along and nicking "my" space.

It's a circular problem, if there were more free moon slots then people wouldn't feel the need to leave their towers up all the time.
Anya Ohaya
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#36 - 2012-04-11 09:30:26 UTC
Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:
roundtables are soooo imaginative.

Why dont abandoned POS after a month turn into drone hives. The larger the POS the deadlier they are.
The drones then will randomly attack people like an incursion system.


Probably unworkable in the amount of development time needed, but it's a cool idea.
THE L0CK
Denying You Access
#37 - 2012-04-11 18:39:44 UTC
People yelling risk adverse are hypocrites. They're too afraid to risk losing their unmanned station to somebody with a little cunning and have to rely on a wardec to keep it safe.

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Marduk Nibiru
Chaos Delivery Systems
#38 - 2012-04-11 18:55:34 UTC
Eugene Spencer wrote:

The mechanic for removing them is already there - war.


And that is the whole reason why some of these offline POS's are there to begin with.
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#39 - 2012-04-11 19:02:42 UTC
I've suggested in the past that after a certain period of time you should be able to use hacking skills to convert the POS to your control, then you could un-anchor it or fuel it and put it back online as yours.

I know CCP has considered ideas that would change what you can do to a POS abandoned after some period of time and there is discussion of a POS revamp in the future so if we get a chance to talk to CCP about POSs soon I'll be sure to make this part of the conversation.

Issler
masternerdguy
Doomheim
#40 - 2012-04-11 19:03:44 UTC
I can do with fewer abandoned poses.

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