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DUST on the PC? It's gonna happen!

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Natassia Krasnoo
R3D SHIFT
#1 - 2012-04-10 01:43:25 UTC
A lot of people went up in arms a while back when DUST was announced as a PS3 exclusive. Maybe this has been posted elswhere but I didn't see it.

Yes.....I know......welcome to last year!

The reasons:

1.) Dust as a console exclusive that interacts and affects the EVE universe directly simply doesn't make sense due to the typical life of a console shooter compared to the life of EVE.

2.) The life of a console game is only as good as the backwards compatability of the next gen of consoles. Few people tend to have 2 systems set out in order to play older games and will of course favor the newer console over the old. If the newer console is not backwards compatable with last gen games they get shelved to collect dust (no pun), or traded for new game credit. If the link is any indication it's not likely SONY will be doing backwards compatability in it's next gen console.

3.) When CCP talked about DUST at fanfest they kept saying "It will LAUNCH exclusively on the PS3. Maybe I'm reading more into this than is actually there, but an exclusive LAUNCH, and PS3 exclusive are 2 different things.

Maybe I'm just reaching here. It seems to me that making a console only game that interacts with a PC game, that has been around for almost 10 years and will likely be around past 2015, is not good buisness. Therefore it's a logical conclusion that DUST will come to the PC eventually, there's really not much of a choice. CCP is too smart to gamble with their hard earned money. EVE was and is built for the long haul and a console game simply doesn't fit that profile.

My belief is that SONY simply doesn't want any competition for PLANETSIDE 2 on the PC. Once the PLANETSIDE 2 user base is established and maybe an expansion or 2 added DUST will release for the PC.

It's all speculation of course but it just makes sense.
leviticus ander
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2012-04-10 01:49:13 UTC
or CCP could do some modification (they are working with sony) to make it forwards compatible with the PS4/1080/whatever so that either they don't need to change anything, or have it ready to be modified in such a way to allow transfer to the upgraded platform.
Richard Hammond II
Doomheim
#3 - 2012-04-10 01:49:34 UTC
title is misleading -.-

Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you.
Henry Haphorn
Killer Yankee
#4 - 2012-04-10 02:02:54 UTC
OP, I suggest you do more homework before you post about this again. You appear to be missing some variables and constants in your equation and therefore...

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Adapt or Die
D3F4ULT
#5 - 2012-04-10 02:11:41 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Phantom
Henry Haphorn wrote:
OP, I suggest you do more homework before you post about this again. You appear to be missing some variables and constants in your equation and therefore...

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This.


You're making false claims with very little reasearch.

It's people like you that should make owning a blog require a certain IQ level. So in response to your absurd comments.

1) I'm sorry that you, directly, don't have a clue of why its on a separate system other than the PC. Maybe if you would have researched and seen a previous claim by CCP that they wanted to venture to other platforms with their games, then you'd know why it's on the PlayStation.

2) DUST 514 is future proof. It's not being Physically distributed (as far as I know), it will appear for free on the free PlayStation Network as a playable game. CCP stated numerous times along with its users that DUST 514 will advance along with the PlayStation into the future of console gaming and remaining free.

3) Again, Exclusively to the "Current generation" PlayStation 3. The game is exclusively to the PlayStation platform.


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Rivur'Tam
the united
#6 - 2012-04-10 02:20:22 UTC
I read the op and thought that make sense then i read d4fualts comment thought that makes even more sense.

i have a ps3 and i will be giving it a go though tbh i would rather pay a sub than it be a pay to win game and no matter what anyone says so if you you say in a post i still won't belive it .

its a pay to win game like all free to play ccp is company companys are there to make money not make people happy
even if they are 1 and teh same.

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Oberine Noriepa
#7 - 2012-04-10 03:56:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Oberine Noriepa
Some other things you should take note of:

1.) CCP owns the Dust 514 property entirely and is publishing the game themselves.
2.) Third-party exclusives are a rarity in this day and age.
3.) Confirmed mouse and keyboard controls have strong implications for a PC version in the future.

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Kietay Ayari
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-04-10 03:59:01 UTC
Oberine Noriepa wrote:
Some other things you should take note of:

1.) CCP owns the Dust 514 property and is publishing the game themselves.
2.) Third-party exclusives are a rarity in this day and age.
3.) Confirmed mouse and keyboard controls have strong implications for a PC version in the future.


Confirmed mouse and keyboard controls... :Q____ Maybe I will get a PS3 after all. Every FPS on the PS3 has had horrible controls but if there are little mousies involved then that solves that! I do really hope it will be for the PC though. I know they say they want a new market but :| come on! Don't be a flipped turtle CCP. Consoles are too heavy.

Ferox #1
CCP Phantom
C C P
C C P Alliance
#9 - 2012-04-10 13:14:01 UTC
Moved from General Discussion.

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Niko DelValle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2012-04-10 13:33:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Niko DelValle
1.) Yes it kind of does make sense if you examine it more closely. Dust 514 is a shooter, and shooters are primarily played on consoles, not PC's. Because of this, it was a good marketing decision to take advantage of the much larger shooter market on consoles. I actually personally think chances of a PC port of Dust ever coming out is quite low, considering PC players would completely outclass console players with their keyboards.

2.) PSN already offers PS2 games on the Playstation Store. The chances of Dust getting ported to whatever new Playstation comes out is high. Once it's needed of course. PS4 isn't supposed to be even coming out until the end of 2014, and PS3 will be sticking around far past it's launch. I mean... look at PS2, that system lasted for almost 4 years after the launch of the PS3.

3.) You're correct, your reading into it to much. Besides, it's already been announced as an exclusive for Playstation. That means Sony must have a hold on some kind of marketing rights for the game. It would be a bad marketing decision for them to allow it onto other platforms. Indeed, Dust could've never even happened on Xbox because of their extremely restrictive server tech. Which must be why they went to Sony. I'm guessing CCP probably did a fair bit of negotiating with Sony, but Sony probably wants to keep Dust away from anything associated with Microsoft (Windows).

In conclusion, it doesn't make quite as much sense as you seem to think.

EDIT: I would like to ask who said Dust would even have Mouse and Keyboard controls. I haven't read a single article that has indicated anything about it, but some people keep on saying it. Link me to the article please? Thanks.
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2bhammered
Cyberpunk 2077
#11 - 2012-04-10 14:10:31 UTC
Consoles will be dead in a year or 2 anyway. They might as well have worked with Apple or Android on this, or as OP hints at, PC!
Kattshiro
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-04-10 14:37:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Kattshiro
Rivur'Tam wrote:


i have a ps3 and i will be giving it a go though tbh i would rather pay a sub than it be a pay to win game and no matter what anyone says so if you you say in a post i still won't belive it .




Lol people with this sentiment make me laugh.

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Damned facts I hate it when they disagree with me.



2bhammered wrote:
Consoles will be dead in a year or 2 anyway. They might as well have worked with Apple or Android on this, or as OP hints at, PC!


Care to expound upon that with any semblance of reasoning? I don't imagine people throwing consoles away (Especially now that they're tied directly to every form of home entertainment system) in 2 years to take up the cause of the PC (which requires constant upgrading...a pace that has only slowed down due to consoles hardware requirements... Say what you will this hasn't been an entirely bad thing; so far as our wallets are concerned) If you think mobile will replace consoles... Well not until they can do everything a console can.

In the future perhaps we'll have the all inclusive SCI FI dream of "The one Device to rule them all." but that's sure as hell not in 2 years, and mobile games are more for the fill the void while in class/subway/bus/plane ride than anything. Especially for the current console market of 18-36 year old dudes. I believe more women buy and play mobile type games.
Znaei
Thundercats
#13 - 2012-04-10 15:45:21 UTC
Don't want to make a new topic on this, but I have a FF beta Key for Dust.

Anyone know when we get to start testing?
Jack bubu
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#14 - 2012-04-10 16:35:07 UTC
Niko DelValle wrote:
1.) Yes it kind of does make sense if you examine it more closely. Dust 514 is a shooter, and shooters are primarily played on consoles, not PC's. Because of this, it was a good marketing decision to take advantage of the much larger shooter market on consoles. I actually personally think chances of a PC port of Dust ever coming out is quite low, considering PC players would completely outclass console players with their keyboards.

2.) PSN already offers PS2 games on the Playstation Store. The chances of Dust getting ported to whatever new Playstation comes out is high. Once it's needed of course. PS4 isn't supposed to be even coming out until the end of 2014, and PS3 will be sticking around far past it's launch. I mean... look at PS2, that system lasted for almost 4 years after the launch of the PS3.

3.) You're correct, your reading into it to much. Besides, it's already been announced as an exclusive for Playstation. That means Sony must have a hold on some kind of marketing rights for the game. It would be a bad marketing decision for them to allow it onto other platforms. Indeed, Dust could've never even happened on Xbox because of their extremely restrictive server tech. Which must be why they went to Sony. I'm guessing CCP probably did a fair bit of negotiating with Sony, but Sony probably wants to keep Dust away from anything associated with Microsoft (Windows).

In conclusion, it doesn't make quite as much sense as you seem to think.

EDIT: I would like to ask who said Dust would even have Mouse and Keyboard controls. I haven't read a single article that has indicated anything about it, but some people keep on saying it. Link me to the article please? Thanks.


http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/02/07/ccp-confirms-keyboard-and-mouse-control-for-dust-514/


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=TgEO71TYbXA that is also interesting regarding the whole DUST for PC thing.
Niko DelValle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2012-04-10 23:21:15 UTC
Thanks for that link! :D

In addition, I think that people are just hearing what they want hear. If a PC version of Dust is coming, it's not coming for a long time.
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Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#16 - 2012-04-10 23:52:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Bane Necran
Kattshiro wrote:
In the future perhaps we'll have the all inclusive SCI FI dream of "The one Device to rule them all."


That's exactly what i consider computers to be. If i wanted to bad enough, i could control anything in my house with one. Everything from the lock on my front door to the temperature inside my fridge. There's probably already companies out there who would do it all for you, if you're not a techie yourself.

Consoles are meant to specialize in one thing, and that's games, often on the same hardware for 10 years. The best game developers prefer to make computer games because they can utilize the most recent hardware, and blow some peoples minds. Instead of trying to squeeze as much as possible out of technology from a decade ago.

However, as much as i love playing FPS games on computers, childish hackers tend to ruin them. I would hate to see DUST full of those people. Unless something more effective than the laughable 'punkbuster' comes along, i'm content with it being console only.

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Niko DelValle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2012-04-11 02:14:03 UTC
That is so wrong that only good developers dev on computers. There are some excellent game studios that make excellent games on consoles.

Look at the likes of Uncharted or other console exclusive titles/developers.

Game developers actually prefer to work on consoles because they only have to make it for one piece of hardware, they don't have to bother with making it work on a wider scale. It's about squeezing the most they can out of the same technology so everyone's on fair ground.

It's also a helluva lot cheaper to game on consoles, some people just can't afford to pay to consistently upgrade a PC, it's just to much money.
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Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#18 - 2012-04-11 02:44:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Bane Necran
Niko DelValle wrote:
That is so wrong that only good developers dev on computers. There are some excellent game studios that make excellent games on consoles.


I still play old games like X-Com which aren't really amazing technically, because they're simply good. But my point is that if a company wants to blow some minds, and make a game with cutting edge graphics, they're going to do so on the latest hardware that has come out for computers, not 10 year old console hardware.

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Kattshiro
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#19 - 2012-04-11 03:17:44 UTC
... Meh uncharted and other games made by naughty dog have pushed graphical boundries. (Sand Snow etc They also have a super strict hiring process to get really good developers) Also push the limit of what you can do on the hardware. Most larger games are getting out of PC dev due to pirating. I honestly dont think it matter what platform people develop on. Seems a symptom of nerd elitism. (PC is better...! Because... I like a mouse...) Furthermore some of the best PC developers dont even go for looks. Blizzard is a prime example of this.

Matter of fact making something shiny v. good is a prime example of bad development, and was what drove people to consoles because developers keep on trying to make games more graphically intense thus driving the need to upgrade on PC's once a year.

Niko DelValle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2012-04-11 03:22:17 UTC
I so wanted to get into X-Com, I tried it, but I couldn't figure it out thanks to the lack of a tutorial, >.<

Anyways, Kattshiro is right. A lot of developers are getting out of the PC market due to pirating. A large majority of games are developed on consoles for these very reasons. Not only because there's a larger market for most games on consoles anyways. That's why Dust is there.

Kattshiro is also right with his shiny v. good saying, I want a good game, I could care less how it looks. I play more games on consoles because the PC market is actually relatively thin now-a-days. 
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