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Can capsuleers have children?

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Aynen
Federal Guard and Recon Corporation
#41 - 2012-03-27 11:29:14 UTC
This thread made me think, since capsuleers can have babies, wouldn't it follow naturally that they will also be in the financial position to make sure their children become capsuleers, making capsuleerdom not just an elite thing, but also a family driven liniage right?
Stitcher
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#42 - 2012-03-27 14:19:39 UTC
equcin meey wrote:
well we know they can have sex from the empyrean age novel and it would make scene that they would at least store some eggs or sperm before they under go the operation to become a capsuleer.so i would at least say they can have children though it would be interesting to know if the clones can have children.


Males wouldn't need to keep any sperm on ice. Us guys create new gametes pretty much constantly, so as long as the cloning procedure includes overwriting the clone's DNA with the pilot's stored genetic code using a retrovirus, there's no reason a male capsuleer wouldn't have functioning gametes and a good sperm count pretty soon after getting cloned.

For the women, it's not so very different. It's just that instead of creating new gametes, women instead mature a stockpile of Oocytes (proto-ovi) in the ovarian follicles. If those were genetically overwritten by the retrovirus, then they'd genetically be her ovi. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ovarian_follicle

So, storage probably wouldn't be necessary if they do undergo genetic replacement as part of the process of making the clone.

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Thgil Goldcore
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#43 - 2012-03-27 18:35:20 UTC
Aynen wrote:
This thread made me think, since capsuleers can have babies, wouldn't it follow naturally that they will also be in the financial position to make sure their children become capsuleers, making capsuleerdom not just an elite thing, but also a family driven liniage right?


Provided that the partner in question provided all the correct genetic markers. Not everyone can be a capsuleer because they want to. It requires a certain advanced mind and body. In a nutshell, we are the 0.000000001%. As a capsuleer your superior to everyone else in almost every way. Though, a little genetic nip and tucking could do the trick if that was your goal.
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#44 - 2012-03-31 00:09:04 UTC
Thgil Goldcore wrote:
Aynen wrote:
This thread made me think, since capsuleers can have babies, wouldn't it follow naturally that they will also be in the financial position to make sure their children become capsuleers, making capsuleerdom not just an elite thing, but also a family driven liniage right?


Provided that the partner in question provided all the correct genetic markers. Not everyone can be a capsuleer because they want to. It requires a certain advanced mind and body. In a nutshell, we are the 0.000000001%. As a capsuleer your superior to everyone else in almost every way. Though, a little genetic nip and tucking could do the trick if that was your goal.

it also doesnt hurt that the mother and father were probably both capsuleers anyways, meaning the chance of genetic deviation from acceptable parameters is lowered somewhat. and assuming that the empires ahve a absic understanding of genetics, they could conceivably "nudge" the fetus's development to choose the genetic traits supplied from the parents most desired.
Rhealee
In Rust We Trust.
Hole Control
#45 - 2012-03-31 16:59:46 UTC
Born with a rare genetic defect, i can not reproduce. In turn a research organization was hired to begin my personal "Mini Me" project. Any donations are graciously accepted.
Hans Zwaardhandler
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#46 - 2012-03-31 19:41:51 UTC
Thgil Goldcore wrote:
Very emotional moment. Child yells 'YOUR NOT MY REAL MOTHER!' because the child sees only the clone. Her 'real' mother's body is floating in space riddled with plasma burns. Could really mess a kid up ya know....

Not only that, there are issues that have to be raised with child abuse and things of the sort that some people would do; after all, they are immortal, and they could see people as their playthings.
Thgil Goldcore
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#47 - 2012-04-01 02:25:06 UTC
the children wouldn't be nessisarly capsuleers, so they may not be immortal... but obviously the family would have the clout and resources to make it happen once they reached the appropraite age. While not directly stated I dont think you can be a capsuleer till you have reached adulthood. 18 at the youngest.
Aynen
Federal Guard and Recon Corporation
#48 - 2012-04-01 18:39:32 UTC
There are other things that can make thing confusing if not outright perverse...
What's stopping a capsuleer from making his next clone a younger or older version of himself?
The only limit I can think of is that the brains need to match between the clone and the body who's mind is being transfered into the clone. So a mature mind would probably not fit in an infant's skull, but within certain limits I suppose the age of the clone can differ from the age of the previous body.
Ssakaa
Animatar Foundation
#49 - 2012-04-04 11:50:37 UTC
Interesting topic.

From this character's bio:

"Name: Aasakaa 'Kaa' Amun.
Lineage: Krusual tsuuya 'half-blood'.
Age: 26.
Status: Single, two children."


I've been fascinated with this topic for a while now. Alica Wildfire (author of 'Log of a Minmatar Capsuleer' -IGS) examined this in good depth a couple of years ago and it piqued my interest enough at the time to fathom a guess at how my character would be able to balance being a loving mother constantly of the desire to raise as many children as possible ( even as she lives to see them grow old and die?) whilst plinking away at the savage Amarr in space, now and then. At least that's how I saw things at the time.

Here was the rationale for this particular modern capsuleer woman of YC 112 from some sketchy notes:

-> Bearing Minmatar children is a badge of honour as, for her, they're born free inside Matar space. Hardly a small deal, if you look at a bigger picture. To this end, being a mother takes absolute precedence over a capsuleer's career in this character's case, as a tribal (and maternal) traditionalist. She is, first and foremost, a loving and caring mother to her (currently) two children. That she was given a krusual tribal capsuleer sponsorship is of lesser importance. (OT -CCP why do you neglect krusual tribe so much?? Cry)

They were both 'fathered' by artificial means as far as I can recall the idea behind any of this. I don't think she was particularly selective in one case -as long as she could continue to have more children, she would be very happy. Less so, that they'd not outlive her.

That was as far as it got really. Sadly, my interest in roleplaying in EvE took a downturn about then, and hasn't really recovered as there are better virtual spaces in which to RP. An unfortunate but a genuine opinion. Seriphyn, above, and some of his Gal Pals have seen her eldest daughter stealing stuff, throwing tantrums and behaving like a spoiled brat a few times in public places. Her mother is out of capsule, is in 'Mummy mode' and doesn't care about being a capsuleer in the slightest during these times. Amarr who? Sansha what? All she cares about is the safety and well-being of her children. Fin.

When she does connect with her pod apparatus, she has handed them over to professional, expensive nannies and/or family and can proceed with her business in space. But really, she is a mother first, capsuleer last. No contest at all.

As it stands now, the above has a lot of holes. It's a best-guess fudge and I'm glad this topic exists in case I get all RP again sometime and people posit some better information. In which case, this char may have more thought added to her status as a modern Matar mother.

"Modern Life is Rubbish"

Palovana
Inner Fire Inc.
#50 - 2012-04-08 04:18:48 UTC
Greygal wrote:
I think there is a subtle social and cultural inclination for active capsuleers to not have children, even though they are biologically capable of doing so.

I suspect there is an inherent conflict of interest between the capsuleer's career and parenthood. Children require a lot of time and effort to raise, much of which likely would be spent planet or stationside, after all. As a busy capsuleer fighting the various threats that exist in New Eden, I don't think I would be a very effective mother since I would not be able to spend very much time with my child or children.

Then there is the whole immortality thing... As a woman, I'm not entirely sure I would want to have children that, unless they followed my career choice, would likely visibly age and physically die while I still fly around looking like I'm in my early 30s. What mother - or father - wants to have children knowing that without doubt, they will outlive their own children?

I know that if I were to decide to have children, I would be torn between missing them when off flying on one mission or another, and yearning for the great wide open of space when I was tending to their needs planet or station-side.

Based on my experiences, I have ZERO doubt that the sexual drive exists amongst my fellow capsuleers... no, I will not expand on the details of this Lol ... but the drive for parenthood, for offspring and children... it is something so rarely discussed amongst my cohorts it is almost taboo.


Of course capsuleers could easily pay for planet-bound or in-station raising of the children while flying around and shooting each other out of the sky. But that's not being much of a parent.

I also think the changes induced by becoming "immortals" would make capsuleers terrible role models.

I think you look more like 40 to 45 rather than early 30s.
Deviana Sevidon
Jades Falcon Guards
#51 - 2012-04-08 22:11:51 UTC
I think it is more of a sperm and egg issue and not much of a problem at all.

A woman might have her eggs put in deep freeze before becoming a capsuleer and the same would apply for the male sperm, especially if the woman does not want to deal with the hassle of having a few special days in a month.

The second thing is that it in an universe with the same tech level as New Eden artificial wombs are probably common, at least for those living and working in space, because the risk of adverse effects like accidentially exposing the fetus to radiation would be much lower.

Still there are probably a lot of natural pregnancies but that is more likely the issue of choice rather then being forced to.

....as if 10,058 Goon voices cried out and were suddenly silenced.

Yoma Karima
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#52 - 2012-04-10 01:40:11 UTC
Deviana Sevidon wrote:

The second thing is that it in an universe with the same tech level as New Eden artificial wombs are probably common
.


Of witch my Tube Child bloodline can a test to. Speaking of natural pregnancies one must remember that Capsulers are probably as to a drunken nockup as normal people they just have more options of what to do with the child.

Those who wish to end War wish to end what it means to be human. Those who advocate War do not know its power. Yet Those who learn from War will be remembered for all time.

Rudgier Thorrin
Noob Constructions LTD
#53 - 2012-04-12 10:20:24 UTC
All the moral and kid-raising problems aside I don't see a reason why a female capsuleer wouldn't simply order a higher-quality clone breed for her, using her own genetic material and the like, maby even slightly modified to increase the chance of delivering a healthy child, to create a proper body for carrying a baby.

The clone would be safely tucked away in some high-sec facility, while the capsuleer continues her daily routines of slaughtering millions of ship crews, venturing to places she's not welcome in and sticking her nose nose into someone elses business and only activated when she wants to have a break to sit back, stroke her belly and feel the little legs kicking inside. It might also be used to take care of the child after it's born.

Implying I need a signature

Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#54 - 2012-04-12 10:27:35 UTC
I am currently in my eighth Clone and I can tell you that each previaous one left several orphans behind somewhere in this cluster...thats what it means to "start over" in new Eden Smile

Pirate

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MasterChief Justice
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#55 - 2012-04-24 07:06:50 UTC
But in saying all of this you must remember that as a goo incased pilot for hundreds of years would get boring and i could not see the harm of retiring for the life of one of your clones and having a family i mean you have so much isk that you could go back to a Normal Life for 80 years relax with out a care in the world anywere you like in the hole of eve all you have todo at some point is step back into your pod and jump to a fresh new clone of your younger self now that we know you can have kids the question is how long can you stay unplugged befor your implants become null and void or ur mind wont beable to take the Jump to a new clone?
Pax Gemeny
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#56 - 2012-04-26 13:18:20 UTC
MasterChief Justice wrote:
But in saying all of this you must remember that as a goo incased pilot for hundreds of years would get boring

You know, I very quickly forgot about being encased in a goo-filled pod.
Most of the time I more or less (actually, it's less nowadays but beside the point) think of the ship as my body.
I don't feel like I'm using ship-mounted mining-lasers to fill a cargo-hull, it feels more like reaching out with limbs to fill my belly.

As for children, my original body still can do that, produce them I mean, but none of my other jump-clones can.
It was a concious choice to have that functionality removed. Being used now to not have that, I always dread jumping back into my original body, but I still do it occasionally to keep me ... well, for lack of better word: grounded.
I have entertained the thought of starting a lineage of my own, to which I would contribute gene-material at some intervals to keep it ... well, "mine".
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