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Not really CCP's Issue, but kill / losses poorly done on KB's

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Vince Snetterton
#1 - 2012-04-08 19:59:16 UTC
I think it would be nice if killboards more accurately showed the ISK value of what was killed /lost.

Imagine a 300M target (including mods and rigs) popped.
Assume 5 chars flying ships worth 100M killed it.
Assume 2 of those 100M ships were popped in the process.

For someone who lost a ship in that fight, it is ridiculous to say they had a 3:1 kill ratio in that particular fight.
If 5 ships were involved in the kill, then their killboard should show a 100M loss and a 60M kill.

It reaches epic realms of silliness when in some cases you see hundreds of people padding their kill ration by doing 1 HP of damage to a Titan and automatically getting a 25-45 billion boost in their total value kills.

ISK values on all combined killboards should be as close to a zero sum game as possible.
Right now you the vast majority of players sporting positive plus / minus on the ISK.

It would certainly give a better indication on the true proficiency of a PvP'er.
Iniquita
Perkone
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-04-08 20:02:57 UTC
I believe I have detected the problem: You care about your kb stats
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-04-08 20:03:50 UTC
killboard is such a stupid thing....

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"

Rixiu
PonyTek
#4 - 2012-04-08 20:06:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Rixiu
Isk value should be calculated this way at the very least:
*Ship value* / *number of people on km*

for corps/alliance :
(*ship value* / *number of people on km*) x * number of people of corp/alliance on km*

Then again, killboard stats are stupid.
Vince Snetterton
#5 - 2012-04-08 20:08:18 UTC
Iniquita wrote:
I believe I have detected the problem: You care about your kb stats


Please, and I have been in enough null sec alliances and null sec TS/ Mumble chats to know precisely how much kills/losses matter, and don't try with the BS that they don't.

And Test is just like the rest.
If you did not care, why do you have a killboard at all?
Serene Repose
#6 - 2012-04-09 14:53:16 UTC
I imagined everything you told me to! Then, I got drunk to wipe the memory from my mind!
We don' need no steeeenkeeeng keeeel boardzzzzz!!

We must accommodate the idiocracy.

Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
#7 - 2012-04-09 15:14:07 UTC
If only most killboard systems had a point system which gave you less points for group kills....
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#8 - 2012-04-09 15:22:59 UTC
Vince Snetterton wrote:
I think it would be nice if killboards more accurately showed the ISK value of what was killed /lost.

Imagine a 300M target (including mods and rigs) popped.
Assume 5 chars flying ships worth 100M killed it.
Assume 2 of those 100M ships were popped in the process.

For someone who lost a ship in that fight, it is ridiculous to say they had a 3:1 kill ratio in that particular fight.
If 5 ships were involved in the kill, then their killboard should show a 100M loss and a 60M kill.

It reaches epic realms of silliness when in some cases you see hundreds of people padding their kill ration by doing 1 HP of damage to a Titan and automatically getting a 25-45 billion boost in their total value kills.

ISK values on all combined killboards should be as close to a zero sum game as possible.
Right now you the vast majority of players sporting positive plus / minus on the ISK.

It would certainly give a better indication on the true proficiency of a PvP'er.

You can get a very approximate idea of a players experience and skill by glancing at ISK efficiency and KB stats, but it's just that. A summary of how much they've killed so far. KBs are a bit more accurate on the corp/alliance level, but even then they get messed up by people ninjaing on friendly supers as they go down etc.

If you want to know how good someone is, glance down the list of kills. Look at their favorite ships flown, how big the groups they PvP in are, how often they die and how big the gangs they're engaging are etc.

It's almost impossible to quantify a pilots skill via kill board statistics, battleclinic tried via their points system and failed horribly. No point trying to request CCP to do the same, especially when it adds nothing to the game. Gathering intel on a player isn't mean to be easy, just be thankful you have kill boards at all.

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Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2012-04-09 16:35:13 UTC
killboards are ONLY useful for showing fail fits and lol kills.
idc how many people kill you, if you have a titan with small guns you deserve it ect.
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2012-04-09 16:59:40 UTC
Killboards are the first sign of Blue Ball Syndrome, that ache in your manhood when you have to measure yourself up against someone else in EVE (where there is no actual end game, no real scoreboard, no nothing but what you have accomplished). BBL suffers also show signs of rage, ineptitude, and self denial as it was the other guy's fault when the cap ship destructed because somehow two minutes wasn't enough (yet, they know this fact) even though its easy to avoid that moment of being deprived by planning smarter in the future (Doctor's Recomendation: Bring another 2 DPS or a cap ship of our own on standby, then brag about it the next morning). BBL suffers also demand that the gods that be (CCP) fix their ineptitude of their own making, then shout out others to post with their main while hiding behind an alter ego to protect their real birth name (Read: WoW and almost releasing private info as an entire name) while flashing around a kill list that in affect does nothing in real life.

Just say no to Killboards and accomplish what you can, what you did, and do better to make it go high as possible while not stressing over it.
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
#11 - 2012-04-09 17:02:28 UTC
Vince Snetterton wrote:
I think it would be nice if killboards more accurately showed the ISK value of what was killed /lost.

Imagine a 300M target (including mods and rigs) popped.
Assume 5 chars flying ships worth 100M killed it.
Assume 2 of those 100M ships were popped in the process.

For someone who lost a ship in that fight, it is ridiculous to say they had a 3:1 kill ratio in that particular fight.
If 5 ships were involved in the kill, then their killboard should show a 100M loss and a 60M kill.

It reaches epic realms of silliness when in some cases you see hundreds of people padding their kill ration by doing 1 HP of damage to a Titan and automatically getting a 25-45 billion boost in their total value kills.

ISK values on all combined killboards should be as close to a zero sum game as possible.
Right now you the vast majority of players sporting positive plus / minus on the ISK.

It would certainly give a better indication on the true proficiency of a PvP'er.




Considering that CCP can't even accurately generate a KM with correct stats, your probably living in a dream world Neo....

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