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Deciding on POS modules/setups/configs

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Lendil Okel
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-04-08 08:11:17 UTC
Hello all, have recently decided to lay down a small POS to increase invention/manufacturing income, and to help my corp. I've decided that I want to make it a 'dickstar' and put it in lowsec. I have a few questions about the optimal way to go about this

1. I plan on anchoring 3 mobile labs and 2 corporate hangar arrays (For storage). Can I also anchor ECM, and just offline the labs/arrays and online the ECM when I get attacked? Is there anything else I should anchor besides ECM/labs/arrays

2. Can you legally set your POS to attack anyone in lowsec, and will it lower your security status if you do

3. Is there a way to allow people to use to research/invention/copying slots, but not take out BPO's or other materials

4. Is there a specific setup that I should use for my ECM? Just use the maximum that I can or

5. Lastly, when I offline the labs, do the bpo's/bpc's come out when I offline the labs?
Lemonmint
Perkone
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-04-08 08:22:48 UTC
I would suggest you do some reading on POSes before attempting to anchor any. A good old thread is this: http://community.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=817184

If you try to put a small pos in lowsec it's going to last no more then a week before it's knocked over by some bored people with caps(or even just battleships). At the least you need a large in lowsec - even then it's hardly safe at all. Try a C1 with a pos if you want to learn, avoid lowsec completely.

1. check the thread I linked for setups

2. pos will shoot anyone who isn't in corp/alliance/standings if i recall

3. "people" being corp members or outsiders? This is moreso a corp role thing, no way to allow anyone outside of alliance to use slots, and only then it's just ME/PE in alliance.

4. check thread

5. If you aren't in a wormhole, you should be storing your BPO/BPC in a station inside the system, and using the scientific networking skill to start the jobs remotely, so if the POS is lost somehow the BPOs weren't actually in it.

As I said, I don't recommend lowsec at all if you're looking to play around/learn about POSes. It's going to get shot, and POSes really aren't that durable on their own.
Lendil Okel
Doomheim
#3 - 2012-04-08 09:16:29 UTC
It's in a deadend pocket of lowsec with 40+ moons, I doubt it will ever get shot at. The most i've ever seen in local in the past week is 4. There are also 5-6 other research pos's in the system that use a dickstar setup, 3 of which are owned by 1 man corps...

I can also batphone some old friends who would love to kill some dreads sitting in a lowsec pocket undefended. As such, i'm not too worried about actually losing the pos. I do however realize that sitting a pos with no guns/ecm is just asking for it to die.

The thread you linked also doesnt have any setups.

churrros
afwewafe
#4 - 2012-04-08 09:43:12 UTC
you don't need dreads to kill a small 'dicstar' pos.

hell, you don't even need battle ships.

I strongly recommend using a large pos, because small pos's makes very poor dic stars and is gonna get shot at anyone bored enough that passes through.


If you really want a research pos that doesn't gobble up 400m of fuel, get one in high sec. Even then , I would recommend a large pos.
Reppyk
The Black Shell
#5 - 2012-04-08 10:17:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Reppyk
More stuff to read :

Lendil Okel wrote:
Can I also anchor ECM, and just offline the labs/arrays and online the ECM when I get attacked?
You cant online them when you're under 50% shield. So if you're not online and near it during the initial attack, the POS will die defendless. And will still be defendless when coming out of rf.

Lendil Okel wrote:
2. Can you legally set your POS to attack anyone in lowsec, and will it lower your security status if you do
Yes and no. The POS will not pod people (unless you have a gunner).

Lendil Okel wrote:
3. Is there a way to allow people to use to research/invention/copying slots, but not take out BPO's or other materials
ME/PE for an alliance mate. Everything for a corpmate. Note that you will need a bit of homework to make it work.

Lendil Okel wrote:
4. Is there a specific setup that I should use for my ECM? Just use the maximum that I can or
Full ECM dickstars are a very poor defense. On my own I can destroy a medium caldari POS full of ECMs, without caps...

Lendil Okel wrote:
5. Lastly, when I offline the labs, do the bpo's/bpc's come out when I offline the labs?
A lab should never have BPOs inside. N E V E R.

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Lendil Okel
Doomheim
#6 - 2012-04-08 10:47:41 UTC
Should I have some lasers anchored as well then? I'm assuming small.
Reppyk
The Black Shell
#7 - 2012-04-08 13:51:21 UTC
Lendil Okel wrote:
Should I have some lasers anchored as well then? I'm assuming small.
A small POS ? With 3 labs and 2 hangars ? Only the caldari tower has enough CPU. That leaves enough room for a disruptor and a small pulse... Anybody seeing this atrocity on dscan will immedialty bash it.

The real answer is : don't. Pay 100m to buy a premade corp with the standings and stick to highsec (mind you, the same setup in highsec, you will get a wardec sooner or later).

But if you really want to stay with your lowsec idea :
- only 1 hangar. A second hangar is just screaming "gaaaaAAAAAAAnk me I'm fuuuuUUUUUUuuuuull of goodies".
- Get (at least) a medium tower. I made you this setup, it's a good start.

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Katja Faith
Doomheim
#8 - 2012-04-08 15:48:04 UTC
Lendil Okel wrote:
Should I have some lasers anchored as well then? I'm assuming small.


I really suggest that you read the recommended threads above, assuming you're not trolling. Also, set up a small POS in high sec to do your testing (or do it on Sisi) before you anchor in low sec. Anything other than a d!ckstar WILL get popped, especially a small POS.

Oh, and another tip: don't post on your main (if this is your main) if you're talking about setting up a POS in low. There are people who watch these forums just for the purpose of hunting down folks like you and killing your POS.
Lendil Okel
Doomheim
#9 - 2012-04-09 07:02:16 UTC
Reppyk wrote:
Lendil Okel wrote:
Should I have some lasers anchored as well then? I'm assuming small.
A small POS ? With 3 labs and 2 hangars ? Only the caldari tower has enough CPU. That leaves enough room for a disruptor and a small pulse... Anybody seeing this atrocity on dscan will immedialty bash it.

The real answer is : don't. Pay 100m to buy a premade corp with the standings and stick to highsec (mind you, the same setup in highsec, you will get a wardec sooner or later).

But if you really want to stay with your lowsec idea :
- only 1 hangar. A second hangar is just screaming "gaaaaAAAAAAAnk me I'm fuuuuUUUUUUuuuuull of goodies".
- Get (at least) a medium tower. I made you this setup, it's a good start.


I don't mean online at the same time the labs are online, I mean anchored and then onlined when its under attack.
And if someone drops a dread or even a small BS fleet I can organize a defense very, very easily to obliterate them.
Lendil Okel
Doomheim
#10 - 2012-04-09 07:03:52 UTC
Katja Faith wrote:
Lendil Okel wrote:
Should I have some lasers anchored as well then? I'm assuming small.


I really suggest that you read the recommended threads above, assuming you're not trolling. Also, set up a small POS in high sec to do your testing (or do it on Sisi) before you anchor in low sec. Anything other than a d!ckstar WILL get popped, especially a small POS.

Oh, and another tip: don't post on your main (if this is your main) if you're talking about setting up a POS in low. There are people who watch these forums just for the purpose of hunting down folks like you and killing your POS.


If you actually look at the 'recommended threads', they dont answer any of the questions I asked. And I explicitly stated in the OP that I was going to make it a dickstar.

And yes, this is an alt.
Reppyk
The Black Shell
#11 - 2012-04-09 16:59:22 UTC
Lendil Okel wrote:
I don't mean online at the same time the labs are online, I mean anchored and then onlined when its under attack.
And if someone drops a dread or even a small BS fleet I can organize a defense very, very easily to obliterate them.
Reppyk wrote:
You cant online them when you're under 50% shield. So if you're not online and near it during the initial attack, the POS will die defendless. And will still be defendless when coming out of rf.
10 bs on a small POS = rf in 15mn. Even if you were inside the forcefield at the beginning, you will not have enough time to offline your labs and online half your defense.

Roll

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Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#12 - 2012-04-09 18:43:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Bugsy VanHalen
As you say, you may be fairly safe in a back water system but there really is no point to a research POS in low sec. That is what high sec POSes are for

It does not take very long to build up +5 faction with a chosen empire. For caldari the COSMOS missions really helped me as every one gives an decent faction boost. With the right social skills trained you can build up faction very quickly.

Even in a low traffic system there are pirates who like to bash POSes and small POSes go down very easy. Especially if it is a research POS in a system without a station. Any BPO's would be in the POS making it a juicy target. Pirates do look for these and do occasionally travel around scaning back water systems for players just like you

Keep in mind there is no need for a war dec to attack a low sec POS. You will have no warning. And as someone else already said a small POS will go down so quickly, even if you are logged on and in the POS when they attack you will not have enough time to offline the labs and online your d**k star defenses before it goes into reinforcement

I am sure there are many POSes in back water low sec systems that have been undisturbed for some time, but that does not make them safe, only lucky. And no matter how quickly you can assemble a defense fleet, you need to be online when they attack to do so. it is not a matter of if it will get attacked but when. Unless you are a MMO freak logged on 18 hours a day, chances are when it does get attacked you will not be online

A small POS in a back water system may be worth it as it is a small loss when it does get taken down. But if you put anything of value in it you should really consider going larger. A large POS would be fairly safe as long as you do not give them a reason to attack you. A large POS takes enough work to take down that most pirates will not do it for fun. The fleet needed to do it quickly would be very expensive to risk without a really good reason. They will either have a grudge against you or suspect a juicy reward when it does go down.

The point of a d**kstar is that it is supposed to be such a pain to take down due to high ehp and ECM that most players will not bother touching it due to the frustration involved. A small POS does not have the base HP, power grid, or CPU to be an effective D**kstar even in high sec. In low sec it would just be a joke. Especially considering all the defenses would be offline when ever the POS was in use. I read some where that a solo Dread with the right fit can reinforce a small POS in a single siege cycle. Since nobody fields a single dread you can see how it can be taken down before you could even online the defenses
churrros
afwewafe
#13 - 2012-04-13 14:18:00 UTC
Lendil Okel wrote:
Katja Faith wrote:
Lendil Okel wrote:
Should I have some lasers anchored as well then? I'm assuming small.


I really suggest that you read the recommended threads above, assuming you're not trolling. Also, set up a small POS in high sec to do your testing (or do it on Sisi) before you anchor in low sec. Anything other than a d!ckstar WILL get popped, especially a small POS.

Oh, and another tip: don't post on your main (if this is your main) if you're talking about setting up a POS in low. There are people who watch these forums just for the purpose of hunting down folks like you and killing your POS.


If you actually look at the 'recommended threads', they dont answer any of the questions I asked. And I explicitly stated in the OP that I was going to make it a dickstar.

And yes, this is an alt.



The reason people advise you not to use small POSs is because you can not make a small pos into a dickstar.

Whatever you put on it, even if you only put hardners on, a small pos is a small pos.

Dickstars only work on large POSs because it actually has buffer.