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Rock the vote! (On feature development)

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Daneirkus Auralex
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2012-04-07 21:55:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Daneirkus Auralex
Tl;dr If CCP is committed to developing two features, but only has resources to develop one at this time, do you want input into which feature they work on first? This post is about prioritizing between features and fixes that WILL be developed, not about individuals voicing opinions on what changes and ideas they would like to see.

Under the assumptions that:

a) CCP wants happy players
b) EVE Players appreciate having their input heard
c) CCP is sometimes forced to prioritize the order in which they commit resources

Doesn't it make sense for CCP to use a voting system to assess how players would prioritize the development of new features? For example, if CCP has 3 features they want and are able to develop, but have only one dev team available, a player vote could provide a clear indicator of what users want first.

We already have a voting system in place for CSM elections, and while I'm not an expert, I'd imagine it could be adapted. Some may argue that votes like this should come from the CSM, but I believe a top-down approach would be more effective. A poll feature attached to a dev forum post could work perfectly. Some advantages could be:

- Creates a direct voice for player interest
- Could negate future backlash and poor reactions from players
- Raises awareness for out-of-game interaction; could increase CSM voter turnout

If I were CCP, I wouldn't rush to set a precedent allowing players at large to vote on major decisions, but this could work for minor decisions. If successful, perhaps CCP could move on to providing detail on pros and cons for voting on larger decisions, such as implementing tessalation. (Besides, audience cheering at Fanfest hardly seems like a reliable method of gauging interest).

A simple example: "Should Team X work on decreasing TiDi on gate jumps, or add docking radius to the tactical overlay? Assume both projects require 2 weeks to complete." Thoughts?
Ai Shun
#2 - 2012-04-07 21:56:12 UTC
Daneirkus Auralex wrote:
Under the assumptions that:

a) CCP wants happy players
b) EVE Players appreciate having their input heard
c) CCP is sometimes forced to prioritize the order in which they commit resources

Doesn't it make sense for CCP to use a voting system to assess how players would prioritize the development of new features? For example, if CCP has 3 features they want and are able to develop, but have only one dev team available, a player vote could provide a clear indicator of what users want first.

We already have a voting system in place for CSM elections, and while I'm not an expert, I'd imagine it could be adapted. Some may argue that votes like this should come from the CSM, but I believe a top-down approach would be more effective. A poll feature attached to a dev forum post could work perfectly. Some advantages could be:

- Creates a direct voice for player interest
- Could negate future backlash and poor reactions from players
- Raises awareness for out-of-game interaction; could increase CSM voter turnout

If I were CCP, I wouldn't rush to set a precedent allowing players at large to vote on major decisions, but this could work for minor decisions. If successful, perhaps CCP could move on to providing detail on pros and cons for voting on larger decisions, such as implementing tessalation. (Besides, audience cheering at Fanfest hardly seems like a reliable method of gauging interest).

A simple example: "Should Team X work on decreasing TiDi on gate jumps, or add docking radius to the tactical overlay? Assume both projects require 2 weeks to complete." Thoughts?


How many of CCP's monthly surveys have you taken?
Serene Repose
#3 - 2012-04-07 21:57:38 UTC
Yeah, right. I pay to see what CCP calls a good game, not you. Judging by the brilliance level of this forum, I'll stick with one crew of sophomoric yahoos making the decisions. Show me some cogent reasoning on this forum, I may reconsider. My vote?

NO VOTES.

PS Voting made Mitt a "good player." Go figure.

We must accommodate the idiocracy.

Richard Hammond II
Doomheim
#4 - 2012-04-07 21:58:35 UTC
Daneirkus Auralex wrote:
Under the assumptions that:

a) CCP wants happy players
b) EVE Players appreciate having their input heard
c) CCP is sometimes forced to prioritize the order in which they commit resources

[b]Doesn't it make sense for CCP to use a voting system to assess how players would prioritize the development of new features?


Its called the CSM

Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you.

Daneirkus Auralex
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2012-04-07 22:03:35 UTC
Ai Shun wrote:

How many of CCP's monthly surveys have you taken?


I vaguely recall doing one advertised at login, some months ago? I couldn't even tell you what it was about. Nothing more stands out to me though.. I'm assuming you have knowledge of something more consistent?
Daneirkus Auralex
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2012-04-07 22:06:41 UTC
Serene Repose wrote:
Yeah, right. I pay to see what CCP calls a good game, not you. Judging by the brilliance level of this forum, I'll stick with one crew of sophomoric yahoos making the decisions. Show me some cogent reasoning on this forum, I may reconsider. My vote?

NO VOTES.


Easy, buddy. Not every post from a CFC member is a troll.

If CCP agreed with you, we'd never have gotten Crucible. After all, less than a year ago CCP had a solid idea of what they called a good game. Few players agreed.

Regarding the reasoning bit, if you haven't seen any good posts I don't think you're looking hard enough. There are plenty of brilliant people on here, though I can't claim to be one of them.
Jita Alt666
#7 - 2012-04-07 22:10:59 UTC
Serene Repose wrote:
Yeah, right. I pay to see what CCP calls a good game, not you. Judging by the brilliance level of this forum, I'll stick with one crew of sophomoric yahoos making the decisions. Show me some cogent reasoning on this forum, I may reconsider. My vote?

NO VOTES.

PS Voting made Mitt a "good player." Go figure.


Mittani is a good player.

He is good at playing Eve Online.

He is not a Good person playing Eve Online.
Richard Hammond II
Doomheim
#8 - 2012-04-07 22:12:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Richard Hammond II
Daneirkus Auralex wrote:
Serene Repose wrote:
Yeah, right. I pay to see what CCP calls a good game, not you. Judging by the brilliance level of this forum, I'll stick with one crew of sophomoric yahoos making the decisions. Show me some cogent reasoning on this forum, I may reconsider. My vote?

NO VOTES.


Easy, buddy. Not every post from a CFC member is a troll.

If CCP agreed with you, we'd never have gotten Crucible. After all, less than a year ago CCP had a solid idea of what they called a good game. Few players agreed.
Regarding the reasoning bit, if you haven't seen any good posts I don't think you're looking hard enough. There are plenty of brilliant people on here, though I can't claim to be one of them.


I still say the csm is this. After all they claim credit for anything ccp does and if theyre as powerful as mittens was claiming they were this is right

Jita Alt666 wrote:
Serene Repose wrote:
Yeah, right. I pay to see what CCP calls a good game, not you. Judging by the brilliance level of this forum, I'll stick with one crew of sophomoric yahoos making the decisions. Show me some cogent reasoning on this forum, I may reconsider. My vote?

NO VOTES.

PS Voting made Mitt a "good player." Go figure.


Mittani is a good player.

He is good at playing Eve Online.

He is not a Good person playing Eve Online.


You say that like he wasnt ROLE PLAYING

Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you.

Daneirkus Auralex
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2012-04-07 22:12:56 UTC
Richard Hammond II wrote:

Its called the CSM


Perhaps, but as I alluded to in my original post, there's a difference between having a representative through which constituents can vent their concerns and desires, and having a black and white option presented from the developers themselves.

Consider your local government. Some residents may write your congressperson to complain about poor road conditions, while others complain about the lack of stop signs. If the government was committed to fixing both problems, but only one could be rectified immediately, wouldn't it be nice to have a voice on which issue to pursue first?

When forced to choose, some of the people seeking road improvements may actually give priority to planting stop signs, due to the potential safety concern. While this is a real life example, I'm sure people can infer how it could translate to EVE.
Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpaid Tactical Team
#10 - 2012-04-07 22:43:02 UTC
Richard Hammond II wrote:
Daneirkus Auralex wrote:
Serene Repose wrote:
Yeah, right. I pay to see what CCP calls a good game, not you. Judging by the brilliance level of this forum, I'll stick with one crew of sophomoric yahoos making the decisions. Show me some cogent reasoning on this forum, I may reconsider. My vote?

NO VOTES.


Easy, buddy. Not every post from a CFC member is a troll.

If CCP agreed with you, we'd never have gotten Crucible. After all, less than a year ago CCP had a solid idea of what they called a good game. Few players agreed.
Regarding the reasoning bit, if you haven't seen any good posts I don't think you're looking hard enough. There are plenty of brilliant people on here, though I can't claim to be one of them.


I still say the csm is this. After all they claim credit for anything ccp does and if theyre as powerful as mittens was claiming they were this is right

Jita Alt666 wrote:
Serene Repose wrote:
Yeah, right. I pay to see what CCP calls a good game, not you. Judging by the brilliance level of this forum, I'll stick with one crew of sophomoric yahoos making the decisions. Show me some cogent reasoning on this forum, I may reconsider. My vote?

NO VOTES.

PS Voting made Mitt a "good player." Go figure.


Mittani is a good player.

He is good at playing Eve Online.

He is not a Good person playing Eve Online.


You say that like he wasnt ROLE PLAYING


I brought up the topic of Mittani and the player behind the character being two different people during the broadcast of DjBigcountry's broadcast friday night, due to the nature of the discussion they were having.

Let's just say the man is an idiot (DJBigCountry).
Jonas Xiamon
#11 - 2012-04-07 22:51:16 UTC
inb4 crowdsourcing

I usally write one of these and then change it a month later when I reread it and decide it sounds stupid.

Ai Shun
#12 - 2012-04-07 22:51:29 UTC
Daneirkus Auralex wrote:
I vaguely recall doing one advertised at login, some months ago? I couldn't even tell you what it was about. Nothing more stands out to me though.. I'm assuming you have knowledge of something more consistent?


Every monthly newsletter has a survey in it; where CCP gauges our opinion on various matters relating to EVE Online. It is open for all players and is a handy way to help shape the opinion outside of the CSM. In terms of the CSM, well, I assume you know the procedure for raising something, have people vote on it and then pushing it through, right?
Pop Bear
Doomheim
#13 - 2012-04-07 22:56:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Pop Bear
Daneirkus Auralex wrote:
Doesn't it make sense for CCP to use a voting system to assess how players would prioritize the development of new features?


Roids that attack gankers would be the effect my friend Ugh
Daneirkus Auralex
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2012-04-07 23:05:06 UTC
Ai Shun wrote:

Every monthly newsletter has a survey in it; where CCP gauges our opinion on various matters relating to EVE Online. It is open for all players and is a handy way to help shape the opinion outside of the CSM. In terms of the CSM, well, I assume you know the procedure for raising something, have people vote on it and then pushing it through, right?


Ah, right on. I suppose that's cool, though I'd like to see something more transparent, simple, and easily accessible. If a Dev posted "We have one week on our hands - should we do A or B?" into General Discussion, it would get better visibility and create more of a connection, in my opinion.
Max Essen
Bison Industrial Inc
Cat Scratch Fevers
#15 - 2012-04-07 23:19:23 UTC
Unless I am mistaken, there are currently two methods CCP already uses for this:
1. Monthly Newsletter Surveys
2. CSM

We already voted for CSM so, I believe this entire thread is an action complete.
Richard Hammond II
Doomheim
#16 - 2012-04-08 00:09:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Richard Hammond II
Meryl SinGarda wrote:


I brought up the topic of Mittani and the player behind the character being two different people during the broadcast of DjBigcountry's broadcast friday night, due to the nature of the discussion they were having.

Let's just say the man is an idiot (DJBigCountry).


summary? Cause Im not gonna fund him podcast or w/e to hear it myself lol

Max Essen wrote:
Unless I am mistaken, there are currently two methods CCP already uses for this:
1. Monthly Newsletter Surveys
2. CSM

We already voted for CSM so, I believe this entire thread is an action complete.


I believe I said # 2 way up there lol

Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you.

Emiko Luan
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2012-04-08 00:11:00 UTC
message the CSM with your idea.

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Daneirkus Auralex
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2012-04-08 01:39:45 UTC
Its pretty clear that no one else can make the distinction between submitting unsolicited ideas, and voicing your priority preference between two ideas that will definitely be implemented.
Richard Hammond II
Doomheim
#19 - 2012-04-08 02:10:35 UTC
Daneirkus Auralex wrote:
Its pretty clear that no one else can make the distinction between submitting unsolicited ideas, and voicing your priority preference between two ideas that will definitely be implemented.


Its pretty clear you dont get you can message the CSM and have them talk to CCP about your ideas

kinda how a survey would work

Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you.

Thomas Orca
Broski is ded
#20 - 2012-04-08 02:15:04 UTC
Meryl SinGarda wrote:


Let's just say the man is an idiot (DJBigCountry).

In non-shocker.
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