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Is it possible to offer constructive critcism on these forums?
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Thomas Gallant
Quafe Company Courier Shipping
#1 - 2012-04-07 11:21:04 UTC
It seems every time someone complains about this, or wants to change that, it seems that the collective entity that is "the forum" accuses said person of "crying"

My question is, how should such suggestions be presented to avoid the wrath of the forum goers

















(Bonus points for accusing me of crying about people crying about people crying tech four tears FTW)
Arthur Frayn
V.O.F.L IRON CORE
#2 - 2012-04-07 11:23:28 UTC
Thomas Gallant wrote:

My question is, how should such suggestions be presented to avoid the wrath of the forum goers


Exercise some intelligence when coming up with them in the first place.
Aethlyn
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2012-04-07 11:24:01 UTC
It's a MMORPG forum, even a publisher/developer hosted one. Such things are expected to happen and you can't avoid them (cause there's always someone thinking a bit different). Just post in the suggestions forum further down on the forum overview. Just rmeember that even complaining people keep a topic on top. [100% constructive post, hah, take that!] :)

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Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2012-04-07 11:25:17 UTC
obvious troll is obvious.

Want me to shut up? Remove content from my post,1B. Remove my content from a thread I have started 2B.
malaire
#5 - 2012-04-07 11:26:57 UTC
Post to right place, i.e. not GD

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Pop Bear
Doomheim
#6 - 2012-04-07 11:27:09 UTC
Well yeah, people will cry about anything on here, but original & well thought out ideas tend to get plenty of support.
David Caldera
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-04-07 11:29:00 UTC
It's the very nature of MMO forums really. You have so many people, each with their own opinions on what is fine and what is not, and because everyone is directly or indirectly affected by any changes to any system, it leads to very polarizing behavior; some will cry nerfs, others will cry buffs, and most people that even slightly suspect a suggestion will not be in their advantage will (consciously or not) make an ad-hominem argument. It's the very nature of people.

That said, I'm not saying that any reply is unjustified, and that every thread warrants a real discussion. There are some really daft ideas and troll threads out there.

My suggestion is to simply make a post on what concerns you, and then expect people to post nonsense in it. Keep the discussion on your end civil and some other readers might just see your thread and offer you their views in a serious manner as well. Just don't expect it to happen too often.

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(Bonus points for accusing me of crying about people crying about people crying tech four tears FTW)
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Arkon Olacar
black.listed
#8 - 2012-04-07 11:36:56 UTC
Pop Bear wrote:
Well yeah, people will cry about anything on here, but original & well thought out ideas tend to get plenty of support.

What are these 'original & well thought out ideas' that you speak of? Surely not something that can be found here...
non judgement
Without Fear
Flying Burning Ships Alliance
#9 - 2012-04-07 11:41:46 UTC  |  Edited by: non judgement
Aren't these forums just like any others on the internet?
Wait a second are you actually worried about the type of replies from people who you don't know on the internet?
Grey Stormshadow
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2012-04-07 11:43:42 UTC
There is nothing to complain at the moment.
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Spy 21
Doomheim
#11 - 2012-04-07 11:44:25 UTC
Too many people here are studying to be supreme put-down artists...

Obfuscation for the WIN on page 3...
Lokli Lokli
Burning Rotten Blood
#12 - 2012-04-07 11:53:51 UTC
keep them to yourself as no one here cares
StarVoyager Odunen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-04-07 11:56:44 UTC
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Garak Jakobs
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2012-04-07 12:03:46 UTC
Ah the age old question..

You have to understand this forum is mostly used by people who want to get away from there own pathetic worthless lives. A place they can act big and hard even untouchable..

The fact is they're probably fat, in no way hard...quite the opposite and addicted to cake & possibly not seen their own genitals in years due to burger consumption. That was in no way a reference to a country which is Eves largest player base a few thousand miles west of the UK.....

Getting proper replies is as hard as those people mentioned above losing weight. Have you seen the percentage of obese people in the above mentioned country which I have not named but you know which one anyway?

The guys who do little 1 liners who think they're funny but not.

The Eve forum isn't a place to come for a nice topic. because quite simply the trollage here is crazy.
Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
#15 - 2012-04-07 12:35:32 UTC
Most of that I've seen accused of "crying" on the forums often ask (or demand) for a change that benifits them, but with little thought to how it would impact everyone else or what other issues would be caused by such a change.

Most of those that are not often take time to identify a problem, recommend a solution, and are willing to consider alternative suggestions from other players even if they did not come up with it themselves (e.i. acting like "my idea is better and yours is crap because I didn't think of that" will get you nowhere).

Of course, you have to be able to also consider alot of it is sometimes trolling and show you have thicker skin than that. If not, people on the forums will eat you alive. Besides, even if you get **** for an idea, if you really want something to change, convincing CCP is the point, not the forum. If it makes sense and is a better idea than how it is now, CCP will pick up on it (eventually...maybe). Why would you care if one or two other players thinks it's ****?

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#16 - 2012-04-07 16:27:53 UTC
I have a quickie for the OP: post the new ideas in the relevant forum. GD is for "the other" kind of posters. Pirate

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Kessiaan
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2012-04-07 17:22:25 UTC
I haven't noticed any unusual amounts of hostility, compared to other loosely moderated gaming forums. You just need one of these.

Personally I dislike heavily moderated forums, I'd rather have an open discussion without trying to exclude people I don't like for whatever reason.

KB Link
Killer Gandry
The Concilium Enterprises
#18 - 2012-04-07 17:32:16 UTC
Thomas Gallant wrote:
It seems every time someone complains about this, or wants to change that, it seems that the collective entity that is "the forum" accuses said person of "crying"



First of all those who only complain aren't offering constructive criticism. They only complain and whine.

Constructive criticism is identifuing an issue and come up with alternatives which benefit all the same without getting the issue out of balance.

Biggest problem here is that often come up with idea's / solutions for issues that aren't present or without having throught them through.
Also posting idea's and such often ends up in the wrong forum section and as such alone it already receives a lot of negative impact.
We have players who love nothing more then to troll anything that hits the forums. You will have to learn to ignore them or counter them in such a manner they themselves look like even worse than their trolls.

Be prepared to have your suggestions and idea's to be scritinised in every possible manner, people pointing out flaws from their point of vieuw and have the ability to counter or to adjust your idea's.
Kalathia Eginald
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2012-04-07 17:51:23 UTC
"Constructive" criticism is a term I do not acknowledge. How can you do a negative act positively? We already had a term for it called feedback.

Now it is all about how it is worded. As it is not so much what you say but how you say it. If it is just "x is rubbish fix it" type of post then it is just whinging. However if it is along the lines of "x is broken and here is a possible solution that may fix it" that is feedback.

However no matter be prepared to have the ideas torn apart, if they can survuve that then they may just get looked at by CCP if they don't then they weren't worth looking at anyway.
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient
Electus Matari
#20 - 2012-04-07 18:33:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon
Thomas Gallant wrote:
It seems every time someone complains about this, or wants to change that, it seems that the collective entity that is "the forum" accuses said person of "crying"

My question is, how should such suggestions be presented to avoid the wrath of the forum goers

You cannot, the forums have a subpopulation who delight in annoying and mocking others.

The only constructive solution is to just post whatever you want to post as constructively as possible, and then ignore every troll like that and report as many of them as you can bother.
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