EVE General Discussion

Some people here seem to confuse the act of making money to spend it on, for example, PvP ships with the act of making money for the sake of making money.

Yes and no.

You also need those anti-carebear initiative to keep the demand flowing...

In other words if you get your pimp out tengu or nightmare or whatever strikes you fancy and you will have it for eternity your got no other goal to look forward. So the pirates just giving you reason to play.

and to put some light into it or to wrap it around shadows .. choice is yours

Carebear as i see it.. is kind of player who is "naive" and try to help his fellow capsuler. Be it teaching basic strategies, giving insight to matter of PvP, mission hunting, plexing, you name it. As well as try to protect them.

So being carebear does not necessarily means you are against the idea of PvP. You just got different codex to kill other people ships.

/signed Carebear .. failed at trying to PvP for other people. So i stick around and helping others with theories i learned from people who actually can.

I never made that assumption. To clarify what I meant to say is this, you need dedicated non pvp-ers to add to the economy. don't get me wrong I know pvp-ers need to make ISK and will be found doing the non pvp professions to do so; but how many would you say do it to keep their pvp-ing going vs how many of them do it to make money and inadvertently keep the economy running?



if you mean people will create alts to become 'carebears' and supplement the economy - sure. if you mean the economy will be sustainable by small bursts of ISK circulation and product circulation - i doubt it.



I understand this. My question isn't that there is no need for carebears or no need for pvp-ers but rather that the stigma that is the 'carebear' label seems to negate the importance those role are to the EVE economy. my question is why the negative association with said professions....but as some already have addressed...carebears should really be labeled only to those who feel there should be a risk-free gameplay in EVE or for people who believe the pve roles should operate without the pvp elements...and not simply to those who want to play the game and only mine or mission run etc

someone said its only a word; in a sociological spectrum stigma would probably be the best term to describe what 'carebear' has become in EVE...

So a PvPer with an industry alt is a carebear, but a carebear with a PvP alt isn't a PvPer? How does your logic work here?

What if the "alt" is in fact the same character? Like I said, "PvPers" can train industry, science, marketing or hauling skills just as well as anyone else. Supposing I use this character to farm Rogue Drone sites and haul minerals to station until I feel like PvPing. Am I a carebear or a PvPer?

You seem to be stuck in a class-based mindset; if someone is a priest, then they're not a rogue. But in EVE, people can switch character class merely by switching the ship they're in.

well i try to switch to real life example : homosexual/Gay ... somehow it carry the negative association, But is it covered by some hard evidence in regards of "moral view" etc. .. like they are more inclined to crime? No...

I would say if carebears stop taking word carebear as an negative one, then it would simply stop being negative.
You allways see people who says you are carebear, and you allways see people who defend themselfs as they are not and take it as an insult.. I ask why.. What the other person who labeled it that way did to make you think you are worse being or better being?

viz my description of carebear .. I am proud to be one.. No i dont excel at any aspect of EvE but i got some information background, so i know stuff i just cant reproduce its effectivness myself...

Nothing exactly... Its only our own perception of things... Bad/Good doesnt really exist outside our mindset.

Have you not? I've had my ideas belittled on this basis many times. One simple experiment you can perform is to suggest that the hi-sec economy be rebalanced to reward risk (Use an alt for this, obviously). That's an easy way to get dozens of people called you a "ganktard" "pirate who wants easy kills" etc., without ever actually addressing the points that you make.

Jaroslav: well played. i unfort changed my field when I started doing my masters but I would have been interested in examining EVE in a socio-political spectrum on the side. right now masters is just chewing me up without hesitation.

Malcanis: interesting i was not aware of that. thanks for the info...coming into EVE late as did (relative to release date) was like stepping into a new world with its own socio-political dynamics. always interested in learning as much about the eve-player dynamics as the game itself...

And you killed your statement by double posting it.

On topic:

Don't bother what people say about care bears. A big part of the EvE community seems to be elitist pvp pricks who call everyone a carebear that doesn't actively pvp every minute of their playing time in EvE. Just enjoy the game in your own way like everybody else should

^^ THIS!

To me, a carebear is someone who shies away from anything remotely PvP, who goes out blowing up NPCs in missions etc, and when PvP comes a knocking cries about the unfairness of it. USUALLY they stick to high sec, though I've seen them crying in low sec when their covetor was blown up.

These are people I pity. ( and laugh at when they're not looking )

Personally, I consider myself an industrialist. I generally don't go out of my way to pew pew people, sometimes when I feel like it, I'll join an alliance/blue roam, generally as logistics as my pew pew skills are just enough to do the odd mission. That said, when someone wardecs us, or if I'm in low/null sec, I don't go crying. I'l put the dust cover on my orca and my freighters, and remove the dust cover from my PvP fit hurricane, my stealth bombers, and my Logistics ships.
I will assess the situation, weigh risk vs rewards, and then go ahead and do what I want anyway. I make regular trips in null sec to do my Planetary interaction, and during a brief time we had a ceasefire with the local null sec dwellers, I felt less at ease flying there than I did when they were red.
I LIKE dodging gatecamps in my prowler, it's one of the kinds of 'pvp' I do regularly. My wits, cloak, and all the other tricks I've stashed into my prowler, vs a whole squad/fleet of people trying to kill me.

I fight over prices with people on the local market, undercut, overbid, outbuy, and generally harass my faceless market opponents into submission to get the almighty ISK.

I make backdoor deals with people to supply me with goods above the market price, so they will always sell to me instead of whoever is on top in the market, cutting my competitors off from their supplies.

I am always building and selling things, exploring new markets, and new opportunities. Work on my spreadsheets, enhance my Spread-fu, and invest money into more business.

Am I a carebear for not flying around all the time looking for fights?
I don't think so. I'm an industrialist.
War is good for profit.

If you don’t actively seek ship combat PvP, you are a carebear, and this is regardless of the security level of the system you call home. I struggle to understand how any other form of PvP, whilst interesting and lucrative to many, can fail to label a pilot as such

I have two combat pilots that will partake in activities to generate isk for ships, but this is secondary to finding targets to test my skills against. I have a mainly HS dwelling alt that moves resources about, but does have some combat skills. I don’t plan on having to engage other pilots with a weapon if at all possible, although it is inevitable if not consensual. He is a carebear who feeds those that aren’t, but he’s still a carebear