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[proposal] piracy is an honourable Profession, stop making us suffer!
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religiosa
Perkone
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-04-05 14:17:19 UTC
I've been a pirate for about a year now, I love being a pirate, but there are things that are broken about it as a way of (eve) life.

GCC is far too long. I get to play for a few hours a day. After any engagement I have to sit in a safe or station for 15 minutes before I can 'play' again. We are a pirate corp, we have an office in low sec, if we declare ourselves a pirate corp, and set up home in low sec, we should get benefits. Less or no GCC, no gate / station gun aggression within our own system / constellation.
We keep the wheels of industry turning by blowing up ships / being blown up, we pay over the odds for stuff when we want a ship / mods now rather than waiting for an alt to go to hi-sec for it, we are denied safe access to hi-sec, but then get punished for our lifestyles in lo too.
Piracy is one of the funnest(?) lives in eve, it's small gang PVP at its finest and yet we are the outcasts of eve, punished from all sides and have to put up with poor under stocked / over- priced markets at the same time.
Give piracy a break.
No GCC for pirates, no gun aggression within home systems / constellations, bonus to market buying / contract accepting skills for those with -5 or less sec status, or something to help us spend our ill-gotten gains.
Give us something, anything.
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2012-04-05 14:33:40 UTC
religiosa wrote:
I've been a pirate for about a year now, I love being a pirate, but there are things that are broken about it as a way of (eve) life.

GCC is far too long. I get to play for a few hours a day. After any engagement I have to sit in a safe or station for 15 minutes before I can 'play' again. We are a pirate corp, we have an office in low sec, if we declare ourselves a pirate corp, and set up home in low sec, we should get benefits. Less or no GCC, no gate / station gun aggression within our own system / constellation.
We keep the wheels of industry turning by blowing up ships / being blown up, we pay over the odds for stuff when we want a ship / mods now rather than waiting for an alt to go to hi-sec for it, we are denied safe access to hi-sec, but then get punished for our lifestyles in lo too.
Piracy is one of the funnest(?) lives in eve, it's small gang PVP at its finest and yet we are the outcasts of eve, punished from all sides and have to put up with poor under stocked / over- priced markets at the same time.
Give piracy a break.
No GCC for pirates, no gun aggression within home systems / constellations, bonus to market buying / contract accepting skills for those with -5 or less sec status, or something to help us spend our ill-gotten gains.
Give us something, anything.


I have a hard time understanding why you should get a free pass for being a pirate.

Pirates had the same challenges in history dealing with the law...the movies are a misconception...they didn't have it easy either.

Crying about it isn't going to help either.

If you don't want to deal with GCC....then go to 0.0

Please...keep crying...Its funnier than hell.

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religiosa
Perkone
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-04-05 15:57:31 UTC
Ah, I'm sorry. Maybe the first paragraph escaped your attention... I love being a pirate. Does that sound like someone crying to you? I am merely proposing fixes that would attract more players to both PVP and Low sec. I think the 0.0 crowd have been well and truly catered for and pampered thanks to the last CSM. And fixing FW isn't the half of life in low sec. Go laugh somewhere else : your laughter is just tears in the post for me.
Duchess Starbuckington
Doomheim
#4 - 2012-04-05 16:24:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Duchess Starbuckington
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No GCC for pirates, no gun aggression within home systems / constellations, bonus to market buying / contract

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Oh yeah, of course, would you also perhaps like free Vindicators and Machs? What about being immune to warp scramblers and tech 4 damage mods as well?

(So the OP is either a troll or a dribbling moron. Place your bets, gentlemen.)

On a serious note: the penalties you suffer are the price you pay for attacking people in lowsec. Working as intended, HTFU and deal with it.
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2012-04-05 16:24:47 UTC
religiosa wrote:
Ah, I'm sorry. Maybe the first paragraph escaped your attention... I love being a pirate. Does that sound like someone crying to you? I am merely proposing fixes that would attract more players to both PVP and Low sec. I think the 0.0 crowd have been well and truly catered for and pampered thanks to the last CSM. And fixing FW isn't the half of life in low sec. Go laugh somewhere else : your laughter is just tears in the post for me.


If your not crying or whining...then why are you posting here?

Your asking for a free pass to be a piwat.


Sounds like tears to me buddy....stop lying to yourself long enough to rejoin relaity with the rest of us.


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Belshazzar Babylon
Doomheim
#6 - 2012-04-05 18:45:58 UTC
religiosa wrote:
it's small gang PVP at its finest



Yes ganking industrials is PVP at it's finest
Nick Bison
Bison Industrial Inc
Cat Scratch Fevers
#7 - 2012-04-05 20:10:48 UTC
I was going to point out all the silliness in the OP's post however, you all have beat me to it.

My thanks for "slapping the troll"

Nothing clever at this time.
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#8 - 2012-04-05 20:20:15 UTC
religiosa wrote:
...Give us something, anything.

Help push the pirate/mafia themed revamp ideas for low-sec. Lobby has been active for a number of years now so finger on the search button and get to reading Big smile
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#9 - 2012-04-05 20:59:54 UTC
religiosa wrote:
if we declare ourselves a pirate corp, and set up home in low sec, we should get benefits. Less or no GCC, no gate / station gun aggression within our own system / constellation.


Learn to tank gate/station guns better?

religiosa wrote:
Piracy is one of the funnest(?) lives in eve, it's small gang PVP at its fines


Don't kid yourselves. Most piracy in Eve is about the same as a dozen guys standing outside a door and beating anyone who steps through it. I have no objection to mugging people in such a fashion, but to call it the height of PVP is absurd.

I'm against a lot of what CCP has done to harm piracy in general, but stopping gate guns in lowsec? That's just crazy talk.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2012-04-05 22:10:04 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
religiosa wrote:
if we declare ourselves a pirate corp, and set up home in low sec, we should get benefits. Less or no GCC, no gate / station gun aggression within our own system / constellation.


Learn to tank gate/station guns better?

religiosa wrote:
Piracy is one of the funnest(?) lives in eve, it's small gang PVP at its fines


Don't kid yourselves. Most piracy in Eve is about the same as a dozen guys standing outside a door and beating anyone who steps through it. I have no objection to mugging people in such a fashion, but to call it the height of PVP is absurd.

I'm against a lot of what CCP has done to harm piracy in general, but stopping gate guns in lowsec? That's just crazy talk.


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Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2012-04-06 01:40:16 UTC
wait why do you have to sit in safe spots again?
last i checked there were no guns at belts, mission sites, anoms, or scan sites... find another target...
Ravenesa
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-04-06 04:11:44 UTC
As a fellow Pirate... No.

Develop a black market? YES!!

Maybe allow pirate corps to affiliate with NPC Pirate corps for LP Access maybe? Maybe, allow some specific missions LP rewards maybe? Something that DOES NOT improve your sec status :) Long shot, not needed, but not a bad idea.

The ability to influence a home system? That would be a mechanic for ALL of lowsec corps with appropriate benefits, not just pirates.

GCC Timer? Deal with it... It does not lock you in place. Cloak, Agile, Tanky, etc. My only issue is the new disable warping in Empire for a GCC from lowsec, but apparently that was an exploit they tolerated until people started boomeranging freighters.

And no, piracy is not waiting to mug someone on the other side of a door with 12 people. That is boring and no fun at all. Best to burst through the door with guns blazing and ransoming the last guy standing.
Joseph Sulaco
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2012-04-06 13:38:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Joseph Sulaco
religiosa wrote:

No GCC for pirates, no gun aggression within home systems / constellations, bonus to market buying / contract accepting skills for those with -5 or less sec status, or something to help us spend our ill-gotten gains.
Give us something, anything.


I disagree on many points.

GCC only effects Frigates, Destroyers, and Idiots. I'm all for shortening the timer based on your ship size, but it works just fine.

Gun aggression is fine for the same reason stated above.

The market is fine as it is. In fact I would say it's better in low sec as you are completely capable of manipulating it all by yourself.

The only thing you should "give pirates" is the ability to not be KOS to NPC pirates. I'm all for "fixing low-sec" but giving us bonuses to being -5 isn't the answer. PVP should be your reward and finding more ways to populate low sec would be a better use of our theorycrafting time.

Herping yourDerp wrote:
wait why do you have to sit in safe spots again?
last i checked there were no guns at belts, mission sites, anoms, or scan sites... find another target...


This is sooooo true. Only the three things I mentioned above have an issue with gate guns so you can even travel to a new system if needed.
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#14 - 2012-04-06 16:13:00 UTC
As a person who must "defend" himself from "persons of hostile intent" (read: anybody in a combat ship in low sec), I agree that the GCC timer in low sec way too long. Sec status keeping pirates out of high sec is enough punishment. Shorten GCC timer CCP.
Montevius Williams
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2012-04-06 18:53:52 UTC
religiosa wrote:
I've been a pirate for about a year now, I love being a pirate, but there are things that are broken about it as a way of (eve) life.

GCC is far too long. I get to play for a few hours a day. After any engagement I have to sit in a safe or station for 15 minutes before I can 'play' again. We are a pirate corp, we have an office in low sec, if we declare ourselves a pirate corp, and set up home in low sec, we should get benefits. Less or no GCC, no gate / station gun aggression within our own system / constellation.
We keep the wheels of industry turning by blowing up ships / being blown up, we pay over the odds for stuff when we want a ship / mods now rather than waiting for an alt to go to hi-sec for it, we are denied safe access to hi-sec, but then get punished for our lifestyles in lo too.
Piracy is one of the funnest(?) lives in eve, it's small gang PVP at its finest and yet we are the outcasts of eve, punished from all sides and have to put up with poor under stocked / over- priced markets at the same time.
Give piracy a break.
No GCC for pirates, no gun aggression within home systems / constellations, bonus to market buying / contract accepting skills for those with -5 or less sec status, or something to help us spend our ill-gotten gains.
Give us something, anything.



You are criminal. Its not supposed to be easy for you.

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Uronksur Suth
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2012-04-06 21:46:30 UTC
religiosa wrote:
I've been a pirate for about a year now, I love being a pirate, but there are things that are broken about it as a way of (eve) life.

GCC is far too long. I get to play for a few hours a day. After any engagement I have to sit in a safe or station for 15 minutes before I can 'play' again.


You think it is unreasonable that you might be in trouble for a whole 15 minutes with the local police after attacking someone?

religiosa wrote:

We are a pirate corp, we have an office in low sec, if we declare ourselves a pirate corp, and set up home in low sec, we should get benefits. Less or no GCC, no gate / station gun aggression within our own system / constellation.


What the heck? No. Why on earth would you get that?

religiosa wrote:

We keep the wheels of industry turning by blowing up ships / being blown up, we pay over the odds for stuff when we want a ship / mods now rather than waiting for an alt to go to hi-sec for it, we are denied safe access to hi-sec, but then get punished for our lifestyles in lo too.


Yes? That seems to be a pretty reasonable description of how law works.

religiosa wrote:

Piracy is one of the funnest(?) lives in eve, it's small gang PVP at its finest and yet we are the outcasts of eve, punished from all sides and have to put up with poor under stocked / over- priced markets at the same time.


You honestly expect CONCORD and players you prey upon to praise you for what you do? Seriously?

religiosa wrote:

Give piracy a break.
No GCC for pirates, no gun aggression within home systems / constellations, bonus to market buying / contract accepting skills for those with -5 or less sec status, or something to help us spend our ill-gotten gains.
Give us something, anything.


No.
religiosa
Perkone
Caldari State
#17 - 2012-04-08 02:00:52 UTC
such hate, tsk tsk

hi sec and o.o carebears; gonna hate
Commoner
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#18 - 2012-04-08 11:23:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Commoner
Uronksur Suth wrote:

religiosa wrote:

Piracy is one of the funnest(?) lives in eve, it's small gang PVP at its finest and yet we are the outcasts of eve, punished from all sides and have to put up with poor under stocked / over- priced markets at the same time.


You honestly expect CONCORD and players you prey upon to praise you for what you do? Seriously?

religiosa wrote:

Give piracy a break.
No GCC for pirates, no gun aggression within home systems / constellations, bonus to market buying / contract accepting skills for those with -5 or less sec status, or something to help us spend our ill-gotten gains.
Give us something, anything.


No.


Since the forum just ate my 4000 letter post...heres the short version:

A) The 15minute timer punishes the lone wolf in the small ship worse than the stereotype ganker/camper you're potraying by your remarks, where most of the time the timer/gcc is ignored , and B) It does not help the victim at all.

And another point, virtually all other professions in eve have a game mechanic to support their lifestyle, the 0.0 empire builder with titans and logistical possibilities and conquerable stations, the empire mission runner with missions, the explorer with exploration sites, the roleplayer with faction warfare mechanics etc..

In the last 4 years all that has changed in lowsec is the occasional 650k Battleship rats and the inclusion of incredibly poor anomalies...YEEEHAW! I want a black market, a racketeering station, i want to take over the helpless commerce stations littered around lowsec just as much as the FW guy wants to blow up the opposing side for great rewards.

Also, faction war territories ONLY spawn FW anomalies, you won't find serpentis dens in Gallente lowsec fw zones...is this a bug or feature?

Still enjoy my life as a pirate, always has always will, but the fact is that lowsec has reamined unchanged virtually the last 4 years since all other expansions have brought new stuff and things to do for the empire guy / roleplayer and the 0.0 empire builder.
Duchess Starbuckington
Doomheim
#19 - 2012-04-08 12:41:45 UTC
religiosa wrote:
such hate, tsk tsk

hi sec and o.o carebears; gonna hate

Pointing out that you're a moron with an inflated sense of entitlement isn't hate, it's stating the obvious.
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
#20 - 2012-04-08 17:31:26 UTC
Drake Draconis wrote:
religiosa wrote:
I've been a pirate for about a year now, I love being a pirate, but there are things that are broken about it as a way of (eve) life.

GCC is far too long. I get to play for a few hours a day. After any engagement I have to sit in a safe or station for 15 minutes before I can 'play' again. We are a pirate corp, we have an office in low sec, if we declare ourselves a pirate corp, and set up home in low sec, we should get benefits. Less or no GCC, no gate / station gun aggression within our own system / constellation.
We keep the wheels of industry turning by blowing up ships / being blown up, we pay over the odds for stuff when we want a ship / mods now rather than waiting for an alt to go to hi-sec for it, we are denied safe access to hi-sec, but then get punished for our lifestyles in lo too.
Piracy is one of the funnest(?) lives in eve, it's small gang PVP at its finest and yet we are the outcasts of eve, punished from all sides and have to put up with poor under stocked / over- priced markets at the same time.
Give piracy a break.
No GCC for pirates, no gun aggression within home systems / constellations, bonus to market buying / contract accepting skills for those with -5 or less sec status, or something to help us spend our ill-gotten gains.
Give us something, anything.


I have a hard time understanding why you should get a free pass for being a pirate.

Pirates had the same challenges in history dealing with the law...the movies are a misconception...they didn't have it easy either.

Crying about it isn't going to help either.

If you don't want to deal with GCC....then go to 0.0

Please...keep crying...Its funnier than hell.

What a cute little nullbear. Must be fun to be one of Goonswarm's pets. After raising Hell how you would never be a pet. But in typical fashion you bend and spread. Quit trying to act hard Draconis. You never will be. Get a tampon and quit bleeding all over the the forum.

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