EVE General Discussion

Lots of hellcats and lots of cynos.

Its less mechanics and more individual. Be charismatic, be persuasive, be knowledgeable, be ruthless, be a strategist, haveing TIME. Being a mediator and a linchpin means a ton of ******* time not playing but talking.

Reasonable time frame, a new player from scratch on his own would take a year or more.

To break it down: First there is quite a few months just to get the combat skills to be effective in smaller fleet pvp. Next add more months to attract the level of people who will not steal everything and actually help support and operate with you. This is a few months of pure recruiting and training. Add on need caps and jump freighters to help with logistics. Cannot forget operations of sov structures and the skills to use them. Isk needed to get said supplies.

Lastly, and probably the most difficult, the political connections so you actually can get out there. Being a sov alliance has two choices when new. First is being a renter. Spending more isk than it is worth to have sov. Second is becoming a meat shield. Better like pvp.

Recruit like-minded corporations.

Find a region that is populated by bads and be a general pain for a couple months, or capitalize on ongoing wars and take empty space. If you are persistent enough, have enough guys, and know how to work against blobs you could probably cascade a terrible renter alliance and steal their space.

You don't need big scary numbers or gigantic battleship fleets, you could probably do it with drakes, scimitars and bombers if you choose the right target.

The thing is, I don't see why anyone would want to try to take sov because it is usually much more of a pain than it is worth, unless you can coax a larger alliance to give you (and help to defend your) moons or you can amass a large amount of renters. You're better off doing highsec incursions or hitting and defending moons in lowsec/npc 0.0.

Best way would be to create a pure PvP NPC null alliance while you gain in numbers, or perhaps become a renter if you have no shame. Use your KB stats and the fact that you control/rent a few systems to bring in more members, then try and become blue with one of the larger coalitions.

Join their fleets, help them out and PvP along side them. Then hopefully when the time comes they will return the favor.

Either way it's not impossible, the last alliance I was in went from around 30 people to just shy of 400 in well under a year. Until me and the other higher ups pulled a moving scam and took everyone's stuff. (we didn't like the way the alliance was going, so we stole everything and moved on.)

What exactly would you do instead? In all fairness as a strategy it worked for us, we increased in size very rapidly and could easily have taken sov from a smaller alliance had we chosen to. We also had some pretty powerful blues that would have enabled us to keep any space we took.

We also recently reformed in syndicate, in the space of a few weeks we are already back at 50-60 members, with another 40 or so in associated corps and alliances that are members in all but name. We've also got some pretty nice blues in the area, and can put out some nice fleets when we join up with them.

As far as strategies for starting new alliances go, it's not a bad way to start out.

I was involved in the leadership, myself and the other thieves were the leadership.

To cut a long story short we accepted too many corps in too short an amount of time, and felt that the alliance was moving away from it's original objective of just harassing people and being dicks. As such we took everyone's stuff under the guise of "we will be moving, contract your ships to the JF/carrier pilots for transport", we then disbanded the alliance and moved everything to Jita for sale and distribution among the directors.

We also let the skilled pilots in the alliance who we knew and liked have their stuff back, and invited them to join us when we reformed, and the majority of them accepted and are with us now. To be quite brutally honest, you should never trust your corp mates or alliance members purely on the basis that they are in your alliance.

I probably wouldn't screw over some of the long standing friends I've made in this game. But random people that just turn up to fleets in badly fitted battlecruisers? Why the hell not, I could do with a few more iskies. Also, the teamspeak recording of us letting them know was a classic. Well worth it just for that.

Plus it's nice to be going back to small gang stuff again.

Yes - it's very possible. You just have to have patience and not expect too much too soon.

Here's how my first alliance was set up:

- Find a small group of like-minded individuals to move to null. There has to be an appetite to defend yourself, but it does not have to be pure pvp.
- Find a quiet backwater bit of NPC null. Scout it for a while to make sure there is not too much traffic and your presence there will not be too disruptive for the locals.
- Agree a data and move there en masse. Throw up a POS and live out of this. Systems near stations are usually too hot.
- Flex your muscles in the local area - send out roaming gangs and kill some stuff, but don't be too much of a pain that people want to hunt you down and remove you from existence.
- Get friendly with other similar entities, protect each others POS's when under attack and form a small coalition.
- Over time build the alliance up, work out who you can trust and gain some power.
- Once you have sufficient size and reputation you can go and join a larger alliance bloc, perhaps get a moon or two and build a supercap fleet.
- Once your alliance is flowing with isk you will all turn into as$hats stab each-other in the back and have to start again....

best quote i've seen in a long time. thanks for the laugh.

Game time doesn't really matter, as long as you understand how the game works. So that depends how good the person is at understanding how it works, but as for actual in game skills, they do not matter at all. An alliance "ceo" doesn't have to lead fleets or be awesome at pvp, he has barking fcs for that.

What really matters, and is independent of time playing the game, is how good you are at leading people, and how many people want to join you. I can't be bothered to check, but I think dreddit formed and made test in under a year. Taking fountain came ~ six months~ later.

The point of this rambling is that the head of the alliance doesn't need game time, he needs to be good at people.