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New dev blog: Team Security - Now with 100% more Anti-RMT

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Smodab Ongalot
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#281 - 2012-04-03 23:18:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Smodab Ongalot
First I want to say, excellent work. Eve is a sandbox and should be run by players. I find the removal of botters and RMT as part of the bigger step on the path away from NPC control. Pirate

But, I did have one small concern.

I was wondering, Senior Sreegs, if perhaps you should amend the section of your blog:

Quote:
The ONLY legal seller of PLEX is CCP


to

Quote:
The ONLY legal sellers of PLEX are CCP and their affiliates


It seems it would be prudent to make it clear that there are other legal resellers of PLEX (ShatteredCrystal, for example), perhaps even provide a link to a list of authorized resellers.

There is alot of nerd-fear going around about getting "collateral banned" for accidentally dealing with an RMTer. It be a shame for legitimate businesses to suffer because of the demise of the bastard ones.



Edit: *SIGH* This is what happens when you post without completely finishing the thread.... I just saw you addressed my concern like 4 pages back. Oops
I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
#282 - 2012-04-03 23:22:24 UTC
Excellent blog. Thanks for keeping us up to date on the RMT and so on. I would like to say Screegs that I admire your patience in this thread, and taking the time to answer as much as you have. Big smile Good luck with the work you guys are doing there in the EVE security team. Lol
Lt Pizi
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#283 - 2012-04-03 23:22:31 UTC
gamecard (whatSC sells ) is not plex btw

Goon Tears are best tears, because they're 25% alcohol by volume!
Minabunny
Bogus Brothers Corporation
#284 - 2012-04-03 23:24:22 UTC
So what are you going to the corps/alliances that rent space in low/null sec to botters?
Gevlin
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#285 - 2012-04-03 23:26:34 UTC
Thank you for the work the security team is completing.

Sorta funny how people are worried about loaning money to people who are loosing it to RMT... It is not like loosing you money to some scam artist, is it? Except this scam artist is Breaking the EULA. Fine he may be paying you back once in a while but he is doing evil things with you money... and he is just building up trust with you before he simply "Cashes out"

People need to avoid enabling RMT players and be less complacent allowing botters and RMTers to operate. I have heard of the story of A friend of a friend of mine cashed out making $$ on line, or is botting with out being caught.
I wish these people would report these activities or at least tell me who these people are so I can at least report them!!

Funny Portion:
For those who are concerned about Loosing your money to RMTer activities, loan your money to me. I will carefully loose you money in a strategic way that not be taken by CCP.
My money loosing ideas include:
Ratting in a Titan in Hostile Space,
Self Destructing Super Cap for the insurance pay out, and
Placing Plex in can in front of Jita where I will shoot at people who try and take it!

Loose your money to me! I Guarantee it will be SECURE from being lost because of RMT actions... while it lasts....


This is going to make to help make Mining a viable profession again.

Someday I will have the time to play. For now it is mining afk in High sec. In Cheap ships
General Abrams
Ghost Operations Tactical Unit
#286 - 2012-04-03 23:29:30 UTC
Awesome Work! I certainly hope the Bans include Mission botters!
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
#287 - 2012-04-03 23:33:18 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Just Alter wrote:
Great job Sreegs!

I'm amused by your resilience in dealing with these whiners...

Dont cheat= you'll be alright.

Afraid about loans/reimbursement/something else= stop doing till it will be safe again; maybe you could do it till now just because of bots,rmters :)


Quite sure Goonswarm are going to be able to stop reimbursing ships for 5000 players with the snap of a finger.


Stereotypes Roll

You would actually be surprised how little of our income, comparatively speaking, comes from ratting in general.

This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.

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Cpt Arareb
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#288 - 2012-04-03 23:36:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Cpt Arareb
im really looking forward to banning of all bots. prices will rise!! .. Sure they will but then again is fine for me, I really like the idea being extremely hard for one individual to buy or make a battleship, thats the way it should be (lets face it is a Battleship!)and one person buy/make a carrier should be extremely rare, the way I see things a carrier should be a corp/alliance job and after owning it, those most respected most valuable and more trusted (and that have the required skills ofc) would be the designated pilot for that carrier, same with the titans and supers only alliances would be capable (with cooperation and hard work of they members) of making and owning one such beast.

no one that loses they bots will be in any diferent advantage then before if everyone around dont use bots.

with time the economy will stabilize (with higher prices) and what you will see is that before everyone individual and his mother owned a capital, and now they fly around in cruisers or frigates and when taking a battleship for a spin they will go with some more brain and think more about what they flying and how expensive it was to buy/ make that battleship, and no one in they right mind will hotdrop small gangs with carriers because that would be insanely stupid since so many ppl mined they ass off during weeks/months to build that carrier.

even will be better for those poor folks that get in game and mine looking for some profit, they will have it! They will actually have fun going into lowsec and null mine those more rare ores to make a good profit of that ( and no I dont mine dont have memory of ever tryed it before), that will make a revamp on low/null/wh mining profession, and thats only fair.

tl:dr : with no bots prices will get higher, but, dont mean is bad thing.
Vance Armistice
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#289 - 2012-04-03 23:37:40 UTC
Excellent work!!!!

I just don't know if Iceland is big enough to contain this much win!!!! Between the freshly crowned Super-Ninja-Space-PoPo CCP Sreegs and our Lord and Savior CCP Diagoras I am concerned...

OMG!!!! What would happen if they mated?!?! Is the Earth ready for such an advanced being?

I am ready to find out...

Popcorn....
CCP Sreegs
CCP Retirement Home
#290 - 2012-04-03 23:41:02 UTC
General Abrams wrote:
Awesome Work! I certainly hope the Bans include Mission botters!


They do

"Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012
DeODokktor
Dark Templars
The Fonz Presidium
#291 - 2012-04-03 23:44:03 UTC
Well, I have about 50bn isk in non-secured loans out.
It's just going by his indications it seems that when I take payment for them (this month and next) that I will be expecting another ban, followed by a few days to a couple of weeks of me having this argument with GM's. I dont think my loans are out to RMT'ers or BOT'ers but how do I know that projects I am funding will not fall foul of some script he runs.

Would I give isk up to someone who is just going to go do botting, no, durrrr.
But to know that yet another someone inside ccp is setting script triggers based on movement of things that may be valid, well, it just makes me sad. He cant help that there's no mechanism in place - he could help, he could complain to the team that deals with that area of design. GM's complain about workload, we give solutions that would reduce workload. How a DEV can say that helping to raise a solution or guideline for GM's or Design Teams to go over is not something in his area shows how much each section of ccp is now sharded. If he cared about his time he would point the problem to the design teams, If he gave two hoots about the GM's time then he would not just say that "Loans are not supported ... It is not my area .. I will ban you .. Speak to someone else".

Not saying he's a bad guy, Not saying that the game isnt in dire need of BOT detection, Not saying that RMT is a good thing.
I am saying that if he is going to be over the script routines that dictates when we get a ban (daily) then he needs to also have some responsibilty in pointing the erronious detections towards a team that can make sure they dont happen and put systems in place to make it so it no longer causes problems for such detections.

Now, if he wants to say that when I have 50bn isk transferred back to me (history shows a large sum going out previously) over the next few weeks that I have nothing to worry about then I can let the argument go.
Gevlin
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#292 - 2012-04-03 23:45:11 UTC
Minabunny wrote:
So what are you going to the corps/alliances that rent space in low/null sec to botters?


Simple answer:
Ensure to they have vacancies for real people since botting tenants will be hard to come by?


Though Report players that you think are bots to is gives the sercuity team people to look at and examine.

Through Observing the behavior of a complex bot, a program may be able to detect the algoritems used to detect that same bot again.

Someday I will have the time to play. For now it is mining afk in High sec. In Cheap ships
Lt Pizi
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#293 - 2012-04-03 23:45:20 UTC
CCP Sreegs wrote:
General Abrams wrote:
Awesome Work! I certainly hope the Bans include Mission botters!


They do


market bots ?

Goon Tears are best tears, because they're 25% alcohol by volume!
Ganthrithor
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#294 - 2012-04-03 23:45:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Ganthrithor
I suppose if the loan market dries up-- not completely, but a large portion of it-- due to fear of bans, more people will need to turn to CCP-sanctioned RMTing to get money, right?

Personally I won't be loaning out ISK anymore. Making a few billion isn't worth jeopardizing six years of work.
CCP Sreegs
CCP Retirement Home
#295 - 2012-04-03 23:45:51 UTC
DeODokktor wrote:
Well, I have about 50bn isk in non-secured loans out.
It's just going by his indications it seems that when I take payment for them (this month and next) that I will be expecting another ban, followed by a few days to a couple of weeks of me having this argument with GM's. I dont think my loans are out to RMT'ers or BOT'ers but how do I know that projects I am funding will not fall foul of some script he runs.

Would I give isk up to someone who is just going to go do botting, no, durrrr.
But to know that yet another someone inside ccp is setting script triggers based on movement of things that may be valid, well, it just makes me sad. He cant help that there's no mechanism in place - he could help, he could complain to the team that deals with that area of design. GM's complain about workload, we give solutions that would reduce workload. How a DEV can say that helping to raise a solution or guideline for GM's or Design Teams to go over is not something in his area shows how much each section of ccp is now sharded. If he cared about his time he would point the problem to the design teams, If he gave two hoots about the GM's time then he would not just say that "Loans are not supported ... It is not my area .. I will ban you .. Speak to someone else".

Not saying he's a bad guy, Not saying that the game isnt in dire need of BOT detection, Not saying that RMT is a good thing.
I am saying that if he is going to be over the script routines that dictates when we get a ban (daily) then he needs to also have some responsibilty in pointing the erronious detections towards a team that can make sure they dont happen and put systems in place to make it so it no longer causes problems for such detections.

Now, if he wants to say that when I have 50bn isk transferred back to me (history shows a large sum going out previously) over the next few weeks that I have nothing to worry about then I can let the argument go.


Nobody is getting script triggers today about anything other than bad activity. Stop panicking about things that aren't happening and spreading misinformation please thanks.

"Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012
CCP Sreegs
CCP Retirement Home
#296 - 2012-04-03 23:47:34 UTC
Lt Pizi wrote:
CCP Sreegs wrote:
General Abrams wrote:
Awesome Work! I certainly hope the Bans include Mission botters!


They do


market bots ?


Yes them too

"Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012
Natasha Preston
Doomheim
#297 - 2012-04-03 23:48:01 UTC
Just Alter wrote:
Great job Sreegs!

I'm amused by your resilience in dealing with these whiners...

Dont cheat= you'll be alright.


+1

Great work CCP and security guys, just hope you can keep this going. This is more important than anything else, because botters make the whole game meaningless, more so in a sandbox like EVE.

Death to all cheaters, make them suffer.

<3 CCP Sreegs
Grikath
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#298 - 2012-04-03 23:48:10 UTC
Gevlin wrote:
For those who are concerned about Loosing your money to RMTer activities, loan your money to me. I will carefully loose you money in a strategic way that not be taken by CCP.
My money loosing ideas include:
Ratting in a Titan in Hostile Space,
Self Destructing Super Cap for the insurance pay out, and
Placing Plex in can in front of Jita where I will shoot at people who try and take it!

Loose your money to me! I Guarantee it will be SECURE from being lost because of RMT actions... while it lasts....



May your intestines knot horribly overnight for getting that one in before me!! :P

But anyways...hells yeah! Finally some serious tough love on the botting/RMT front. Lol

Eagerly awaiting Graphs!! and Pict0rz!! when you have them ready. And the economic point of view. and.... [/drool]

And to all the whiners/pedants... If you feel it necessary to dig trenches around your "position" already, you do realise all that happens is people getting curious about when you are going to be Tagged for Special Attention, do you?
Gotta love the sudden Angst and dread emanating from some posts.Smile

Highsec isn't "Safe".  Neither is it a playground for bullies and bottomfeeders. So stop complaining and start playing the game already.
CCP Sreegs
CCP Retirement Home
#299 - 2012-04-03 23:48:21 UTC
Ganthrithor wrote:
I suppose if the loan market dries up-- not completely, but a large portion of it-- due to fear of bans, more people will need to turn to CCP-sanctioned RMTing to get money, right?

Personally I won't be loaning out ISK anymore. Making a few billion isn't worth jeopardizing six years of work.


People are paranoid enough ok Twisted

"Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012
Ganthrithor
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#300 - 2012-04-03 23:50:19 UTC
CCP Sreegs wrote:
Ganthrithor wrote:
I suppose if the loan market dries up-- not completely, but a large portion of it-- due to fear of bans, more people will need to turn to CCP-sanctioned RMTing to get money, right?

Personally I won't be loaning out ISK anymore. Making a few billion isn't worth jeopardizing six years of work.


People are paranoid enough ok Twisted


:tinfoil: