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I hope no goons line in Arizona

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Ghoest
#1 - 2012-04-03 22:03:52 UTC
T' Elk
Strategically Bad
Goonswarm Federation
#2 - 2012-04-03 22:05:42 UTC
****. My. Life. Wait, I live in Virginia? Dodged a bul-

~Badposter since FOOOOREEEEEVAAAAAR~ I come back after 2 years to THIS? ~Now 4 years apparently

Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg
Doomheim
#3 - 2012-04-03 22:07:19 UTC
Edit your post dude


This means that the Everyone in General Discussion will be going to jail as there is nothing but trolls here


Although if they created a jail for Eve online users and we could play EVE in our cells i dont think that most of the basement dwellers that make up the EVE community would mind all that much.


They are living without women anyway

Standing in for Karn Dulake who was banned for saying bad words

haysis
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2012-04-03 22:08:19 UTC
Lol, I just finished reading that. America, gotta love it. all this "cyber-bullying" what a F**ing joke. kids these days need to HTFU so we don't have retarted laws like this wasting tax payers time and moeny.
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
#5 - 2012-04-03 22:08:33 UTC
Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg wrote:
Edit your post dude


This means that the Everyone in General Discussion will be going to jail as there is nothing but trolls here


Although if they created a jail for Eve online users and we could play EVE in our cells i dont think that most of the basement dwellers that make up the EVE community would mind all that much.


They are living without women anyway



Speak for yourself.....Lol


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Nedes Betternaem
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2012-04-03 22:09:00 UTC
T' Elk wrote:
****. My. Life. Wait, I live in Virginia? Dodged a bul-

Virginia is clearly the best state in the US. All the other states exist just to entertain us.
Botleten
Perkone
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-04-03 22:16:13 UTC
I wouldn't be too worried about it, even if I did live in Arizona. The wording of the law sets it up for failure because the language includes "annoy or offend", both of which can't be outlawed due to that little detail known as the first amendment. Any dimwit lawyer looking for a buck and some publicity could get this law shot down so fast it'd make your head spin.
Vyl Vit
#8 - 2012-04-03 22:16:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Vyl Vit
"Ignorance of the law excuses no one." (Ignorantia juris non excusat)

It's already against the law to do such things listed in that law in person or through any other media. That the internet isn't included is yet another feature of its newness. I believe there are people who would communicate such things as are listed in that bill, but I find it hard to believe civil people would object to the fact there are repercussions to those who do. In fact, I'd think it's comforting to know our civility is backed by legality; conversely, incivility is not.

Obviously, EVE attracts more than its share of people who wish to engage in such behavior. The "you can do what you want and not get in trouble" feature exists here to a large extent, but don't overlook the "and not get in trouble" part of that phrase. It infers if you do this stuff anywhere else you WILL get in trouble. If this were not well-known, you wouldn't find these sorts of people seeking refuge from the consequences of their actions here.

The "hip to the jive" publication you link to chose the word "Troll" for its headline. We still argue here about what trolling actually is, and you know that. Too bad the age old Henny Penny behavior isn't illegal; taking a leaf falling on your head to mean the sky is falling, then running around terrifying everyone else about it. You know. Like your post here.

I've always marvelled (awesome, dude) at how the ill-behaved ilk in our culture viewed the internet as a place they could practice their sordid behavior and be above social reproach, and the law. Now, it's just become funny how they're outraged that the law is finally catching up to them. They suddenly want things to be FAIR. How dumb is that?

Paradise is like where you are right now, only much, much better.

Peter Raptor
Galactic Hawks
#9 - 2012-04-03 22:17:19 UTC
US is turning into a Police State, TSA frisking babies and grannies for weapons of mass destruction, I hope I never set foot in that place.

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Vyl Vit
#10 - 2012-04-03 22:19:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Vyl Vit
Peter Raptor wrote:
US is turning into a Police State, TSA frisking babies and grannies for weapons of mass destruction, I hope I never set foot in that place.
Are you in the place where Rupert Murdoch's minions hacked into tens of thousands of cell phones? By the way, take a look at your country's laws before you fly off the handle.

Paradise is like where you are right now, only much, much better.

Pyrus Octavius
Flat Earth Believers
#11 - 2012-04-03 22:19:47 UTC
If this is true, and it is not itself some sort of troll, then I could not see how this could be prosecuted without being subjected to appeal. Trolling in itself is subjective, and in a fine line case, would cause difficulties in the distinction of being properly interpreted, because everyone's tastes are different. What some people find distasteful others don't. The EvE community itself is a test case for the different attitudes towards whats offensive and what's not. I could see this ending up in the Supreme Court, and eventually being over turned due to constitutional issues.
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#12 - 2012-04-03 22:22:05 UTC
Like the article says, this probably won't hold up against the first amendment when brought to court. It's a very silly law from a very silly state.

A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.

Ai Shun
#13 - 2012-04-03 22:23:00 UTC
That type of nonsense makes me so glad I do not live in the United States of America.
Vyl Vit
#14 - 2012-04-03 22:24:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Vyl Vit
Pyrus Octavius wrote:
If this is true, and it is not itself some sort of troll, then I could not see how this could be prosecuted without being subjected to appeal. Trolling in itself is subjective, and in a fine line case, would cause difficulties in the distinction of being properly interpreted, because everyone's tastes are different. What some people find distasteful others don't. The EvE community itself is a test case for the different attitudes towards whats offensive and what's not. I could see this ending up in the Supreme Court, and eventually being over turned due to constitutional issues.
Trolling wasn't mentioned in the bill. It's in the headline. A guy spray painting fascist symbols on a synogogue wouldn't find it objectionable. The ones offended would. Guess who the courts listen to? The EVE community isn't a dichotomy of real society. And, if you think this Supreme Court would overturn a law like this, you don't know THIS Supreme Court.

There's a lot of wishful thinking going on here. RE: another post. No lawyer worth his salt would bother taking a "trolling on the internet" case. And, as I said before, if you think the country you're in has no laws like this, you're very mistaken.

Paradise is like where you are right now, only much, much better.

Lanasak
Doomheim
#15 - 2012-04-03 22:26:24 UTC
Freedomland
haysis
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2012-04-03 22:31:57 UTC
Vyl Vit wrote:
Pyrus Octavius wrote:
If this is true, and it is not itself some sort of troll, then I could not see how this could be prosecuted without being subjected to appeal. Trolling in itself is subjective, and in a fine line case, would cause difficulties in the distinction of being properly interpreted, because everyone's tastes are different. What some people find distasteful others don't. The EvE community itself is a test case for the different attitudes towards whats offensive and what's not. I could see this ending up in the Supreme Court, and eventually being over turned due to constitutional issues.
Trolling wasn't mentioned in the bill. It's in the headline. A guy spray painting fascist symbols on a synogogue wouldn't find it objectionable. The ones offended would. Guess who the courts listen to? The EVE community isn't a dichotomy of real society. And, if you think this Supreme Court would overturn a law like this, you don't know THIS Supreme Court.

There's a lot of wishful thinking going on here. RE: another post. No lawyer worth his salt would bother taking a "trolling on the internet" case. And, as I said before, if you think the country you're in has no laws like this, you're very mistaken.



See the thing is, on most forums and FB stuff, theirs this little function called block, people need to learn to use it. America is turning into the land of ****** that need to have their hands held. And this sickens me. We dont need more of these bills being pushed through that are just a huge waste of time and money.
Kaelie Onren
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2012-04-03 22:32:17 UTC
haysis wrote:
Lol, I just finished reading that. America, gotta love it. all this "cyber-bullying" what a F**ing joke. kids these days need to HTFU so we don't have retarted laws like this wasting tax payers time and moeny.


I don't follow the logic. Bullying is not allowed in your schools. The rules of that community are enforced by the teachers and principals of the schools. So in this new community called the internet, who else but the government can enforce the same anit-harassment laws?

While in general I would agree that most people should HTFU, but if that means more snarky cynical crass douchebags on forums, then I'd rather them not.
Krios Ahzek
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2012-04-03 22:35:02 UTC
I will gladly allow this law to pass if it applies to the the old media. This way, everytime I am ''annoyed'' at Fox News, for example, they go to jail and pay a fine.

 Though All Men Do Despise Us

Nedes Betternaem
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2012-04-03 22:35:53 UTC
Peter Raptor wrote:
US is turning into a Police State, TSA frisking babies and grannies for weapons of mass destruction, I hope I never set foot in that place.

Better watch what you say, or we will extradite you.
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#20 - 2012-04-03 22:36:20 UTC
Krios Ahzek wrote:
I will gladly allow this law to pass if it applies to the the old media. This way, everytime I am ''annoyed'' at Fox News, for example, they go to jail and pay a fine.

Good luck with that one. Fraud laws come to mind, but they'll just claim it's "entertainment". E: In fact, I think they already do.

A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.

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