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Ransom botters -- is it allowed?
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supersexysucker
Uber Awesome Fantastico Awesomeness Group
#21 - 2012-04-03 21:23:51 UTC
The OP is not CCP

The bot is going to spend the isk

Why should the OP not get some because he saw the guy MAY have been a bot...

It is NOT the OP's job to care where the isk is coming from...

If the OP is using *legit* ingame mechs to get the isk... it is FINE for the OP...

CCP can not take that isk...
Morph Eis
Doomheim
#22 - 2012-04-03 22:17:31 UTC
A corp member of mine was given an official warning after attempting to ransom someone we caught flying a dramiel in a DED site while not appearing in local. We were reporting him anyway but hey if he wanted to give us ISK....

This was not just a bug either as he was seen doing it another day. Around the time of that whole drama where someone was outed as exploiting to kill anom botters too so I imagine it got patched successfully anyway.

Long story short its a grey area. Ive had people try to ransom me while mining and petitioned it only to recieve a "who cares" response.
Vyl Vit
#23 - 2012-04-03 23:10:23 UTC
Yaba Yaba wrote:
Hello,

I've made it my personal mission to try to catch as many botters as I can. As everyone knows, it takes a lot of time and effort catching them as they usually safe up when you enter local. However, so far I've taken out 3 Tengus in the last 2 weeks worth a total of 3.5+ bil.

With the first two tengus, I blew them up and reported them. However, the most recent tengu I took out, I sent a mail and made a proposal: They give me a sum of ISK, in return I don't report them and don't bother them again. No answer yet tho, so who knows.

I'm wondering if this is even allowed in game as I would be profiting from illegal activities. And if they were to catch the botter, (especially with the new dev blog out about botting), they may take the cash from me as it was originally from botting.

Not that I had any intentions of upholding my end of the bargain; I would still hunt them down and report them. But I'm just wondering if I'm putting my own account at risk if I were to receive a 'player donation' from a bot

Might be legal, but you'd have to stop coming here and crowing about your altruistic efforts.

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Plus 1
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#24 - 2012-04-03 23:19:14 UTC
supersexysucker wrote:
The OP is not CCP

The bot is going to spend the isk

Why should the OP not get some because he saw the guy MAY have been a bot...

It is NOT the OP's job to care where the isk is coming from...

If the OP is using *legit* ingame mechs to get the isk... it is FINE for the OP...

CCP can not take that isk...

CCP owns the ISK. They can take it if they want to.
5n4keyes
Sacred Templars
Fraternity.
#25 - 2012-04-04 03:03:15 UTC
How can you ransom a 'Bot', for it they respond then they probably arent a bot...
ASuperVillain
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2012-04-04 03:52:36 UTC
Take the money and report him anyway... duh
Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#27 - 2012-04-04 04:22:08 UTC
Recent news, it would be quite bad in my opinion to do so. If that is RMT money, who knows where it will get you. They will have to say sorry to prevent fake ransoming from becoming a way to launder isk.

To quote Lfod Shi

The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
Joran Dravius
Doomheim
#28 - 2012-04-04 10:48:32 UTC
Yaba Yaba wrote:
Hello,

I've made it my personal mission to try to catch as many botters as I can. As everyone knows, it takes a lot of time and effort catching them as they usually safe up when you enter local. However, so far I've taken out 3 Tengus in the last 2 weeks worth a total of 3.5+ bil.

With the first two tengus, I blew them up and reported them. However, the most recent tengu I took out, I sent a mail and made a proposal: They give me a sum of ISK, in return I don't report them and don't bother them again. No answer yet tho, so who knows.

I'm wondering if this is even allowed in game as I would be profiting from illegal activities. And if they were to catch the botter, (especially with the new dev blog out about botting), they may take the cash from me as it was originally from botting.

Not that I had any intentions of upholding my end of the bargain; I would still hunt them down and report them. But I'm just wondering if I'm putting my own account at risk if I were to receive a 'player donation' from a bot

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Nirnias Stirrum
UberWTFBBQ and Battle Technologies
#29 - 2012-04-04 10:53:09 UTC
Cant believe only 1 other person said this and on the second page... take money... report anyways.. win win situation....
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
#30 - 2012-04-04 11:03:03 UTC
5n4keyes wrote:
How can you ransom a 'Bot', for it they respond then they probably arent a bot...



How dense are you people? People still have to run the macros.
You might not get a reply immediately, but eventually they have to rebuild the ship, start up the macro after DT, etc.

If they allow contact, they will see the mail eventually.

'Suspected' Botters are actually FAR more likely to pay ISK to be left alone.
A) The ISK is 'easy money' because they earned it while asleep.
B) More trouble to set them up to respond to suicide ganking in highsec - or a dedicated pursuer in nul...
Tobiaz
Spacerats
#31 - 2012-04-04 11:08:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Tobiaz
Plenty of rather blatantly obvious botters have been reported many times yet never got banned. If you'd assume that they outsmarted CCP (or more likely Team Security never took a long hard look) and you'll extort them succesfully afterwards, you'll still be running a big risk of having the money removed whenever CCP Shreegs updates is bot-detection tools once in a while.

Basically it makes extorting the Macks and Hulks rather risky. And YES most of them are absolutely bots, being online all day, every day, sucking on ice and rocks like a Swiss clock, going haywire whenever they get ganked. Yet no petition seem to stick. It's almost as if CCP bot-hunters are all either automated tools themselves, being outsmarted by clever programming or some overworked GM taking a mere glance at whenever one gets reported.

I seriously doubt any of Team Security ever just jumps into a cloaky Polaris frigate and takes a quick tour of the Ice-belts in empire to write down all the names of the iceminers that are suspicious (which means 90% of them).

Edit: it sucks that the bot-gankers, community's most effective counter against botters, get nothing out of it. I read about the PLEX for snitching on RMT-operations from the dev-blog. How about implementing this in some manner against botters as well?

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Grumpymunky
Monkey Steals The Peach
#32 - 2012-04-04 11:10:54 UTC
Just to be sure, take their money and report them anyway. P
If they do pay you, it certainly doesn't make them look innocent.

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Ezurae
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#33 - 2012-04-04 11:12:03 UTC
could easily look like RMT. If you wanna risk being banned for RMT, try it... Theres no way that CCP is going to say that this is legal because they would give every RMTer a way to sell the money on a legit way, always claiming someone ransomed them...

You can be sure that if they find the botter and track his isk that they will take it away from you and maybe even ban you for RMT if it was a botter thats involved in RMT... You shouldnt risk it
Florestan Bronstein
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#34 - 2012-04-04 11:12:32 UTC
If what OP proposes is wrong a whole lot of faction item and implant traders would be compelled to get their most profitable business contacts banned.
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