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New dev blog: Team Security - Now with 100% more Anti-RMT

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Yaba Yaba
Massively Profitable
#141 - 2012-04-03 20:11:58 UTC
CCP Sreegs wrote:
Yaba Yaba wrote:
Question, as per this topic: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=91174

tl;dr: can you ransom botters (send a mail and hope they read it after you blow them up) under the premise that you won't report them or bother them again (but of course do both those things).

Basically, scamming them for ISK on false premise (legal in EVE), but the ISK is tainted (illegal and might get taken away)


I'll have to get back to you on that. I believe it would be fine but it's a hypothetical. Bots get dinged for isk generated and we're not looking at passing that on unless it's going bad places.


Please do so. I would love to know where that stands. =)
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#142 - 2012-04-03 20:12:43 UTC
Wooohw, while reading the post got to page 8.

I can only agree and give you a solid +12 for doing this!

Thank you for your work CCP and continue to do so!

Eve Minions is recruiting.

This is the law of ship progression!

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mechtech
Ice Liberation Army
#143 - 2012-04-03 20:13:01 UTC  |  Edited by: mechtech
yes! This is maybe the best news I've heard in 8 years of playing eve! Well definitely alongside apocrypha and trinity on the awesome meter...

This is the kind of action that needs to take place. RMT/botting is an arms race. Every year botters will become more efficient and RMT will expand unless the anti-botting practices are constantly stepped up in kind. To anyone who thinks these actions are extreme, I'm telling you it's what has to be done to stop RMT from eventually consuming the game, just look at other MMOs that are 10 years old, it's not pretty.

I still think a bi-weekly or monthly popup (in the launcher/login screen) should come up reminding people that RMT is bad, along with the general statistics (accounts banned/isk removed). Many RMTers are either ignorant, or they talk themselves into it ("RMT is cheaper... ccp probably won't catch me... ok I'll RMT just this once, etc").
Dubaschu
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#144 - 2012-04-03 20:15:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Dubaschu
CCP Guard wrote:
Buying and selling ISK is bad m´kay. And CCP Sreegs is here to tell you what Team Security is doing about it.

Read the blog here and let us know if you have feedback or questions for us.



This is excellent news indeed! Hit them hard!

CCP, Me and another player have spotted a corp that all run around in CNR's that are Bot missioning, Do we report each player or the corp? Partition? If anyone war dec's this corp they then all jump to new corps with all there sexy CNR's.

Dubaschu
CCP Sreegs
CCP Retirement Home
#145 - 2012-04-03 20:17:11 UTC
Dubaschu wrote:
CCP Guard wrote:
Buying and selling ISK is bad m´kay. And CCP Sreegs is here to tell you what Team Security is doing about it.

Read the blog here and let us know if you have feedback or questions for us.



This is excellent news indeed! Hit them hard!

CCP, Me and another player have spotted a corp that all run around in CNR's that are Bot Mining, Do we report each player or the corp? Partition? If anyone war dec's this corp they then all jump to new corps with all there sexy CNR's.

Dubaschu


If it's a whole corp just sent me an email to security@ccpgames.com. You can also use the report bot function in game. Believe it or not it does do ~something~

"Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012
Karim alRashid
Starboard.
#146 - 2012-04-03 20:18:57 UTC
Sreegs for president !

Pain is weakness leaving the body http://www.youtube.com/user/AlRashidKarim/videos
Anvil44
Avedis Corporation
The Vanguard Syndicate
#147 - 2012-04-03 20:20:59 UTC
+1 from me. Well done and carry on.

I may not like you or your point of view but you have a right to voice it.
Mioelnir
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#148 - 2012-04-03 20:23:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Mioelnir
CCP Sreegs wrote:
1) Right now we haven't had to go any farther than the consumer ie the guy who made the purchase. If things change we will as well.

So, basically, you have been given carte-blanche to shut down the game by banning every single account producing anything for market if you deem necessary. It's not like we can choose who to sell to on the eve market.

No offense, but I think I'll just switch my production chars from 12 month subscriptions to a monthly / as needed basis. Having 250 SP in industry is starting to feel like a security feature.

Otherwise, good job CCP and good riddance banned people.
CCP Sreegs
CCP Retirement Home
#149 - 2012-04-03 20:24:13 UTC
Mioelnir wrote:
CCP Sreegs wrote:
1) Right now we haven't had to go any farther than the consumer ie the guy who made the purchase. If things change we will as well.

So, basically, you have been given carte-blanche to shut down the game by banning every single account producing anything for market if you deem necessary. It's not like we can choose who to sell to on the eve market.

No offense, but I think I'll just switch my production chars from 12 month subscriptions to a monthly / as needed basis. Having 250 SP in industry is starting to feel like a security feature.


I'm pretty sure you're going a bit overboard here.

"Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012
Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#150 - 2012-04-03 20:24:39 UTC
so it begins.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#151 - 2012-04-03 20:25:01 UTC
Karim alRashid wrote:
Sreegs for president !
Nah.

Sreegs for empress!
Panties and Stockings
Hebi Co.
#152 - 2012-04-03 20:25:09 UTC
What's going to happen to the people who got caught in the crossfire?
Lyron-Baktos
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#153 - 2012-04-03 20:25:38 UTC
To the person complaining about boring isk making activities as a reason why rmt exists. To be honest, the reason most people do this is because of time, not because the activity is boring. You could have the greatest isk making activity ever but if it took days/weeks to do, people would still pull out their credit card and buy isk as it only takes a few minutes.

I'm curious as to see if market prices will increase or drop because of these actions.
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
#154 - 2012-04-03 20:26:49 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Karim alRashid wrote:
Sreegs for president !
Nah.

Sreegs for empress!

Sreegs is very much a dude.


I mean, unless he got as drunk as he was at fanfest that one year and took a trip to Trinidad...

This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.

fofofo
CCP Sreegs
CCP Retirement Home
#155 - 2012-04-03 20:27:51 UTC
Panties and Stockings wrote:
What's going to happen to the people who got caught in the crossfire?


They've been repaired as they've been discovered but I will reiterate something I said in the blog which is that nobody truely innocent has thus far been determined to have been caught in this crossfire...

We've had people do illegal things that cause the system to mislabel them a bit because... what they did was indeed illegal.

"Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012
Padme Amidala Naberrie
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#156 - 2012-04-03 20:30:11 UTC
CCP Sreegs wrote:
Mioelnir wrote:
CCP Sreegs wrote:
1) Right now we haven't had to go any farther than the consumer ie the guy who made the purchase. If things change we will as well.

So, basically, you have been given carte-blanche to shut down the game by banning every single account producing anything for market if you deem necessary. It's not like we can choose who to sell to on the eve market.

No offense, but I think I'll just switch my production chars from 12 month subscriptions to a monthly / as needed basis. Having 250 SP in industry is starting to feel like a security feature.


I'm pretty sure you're going a bit overboard here.


I would say it's more likely they are deliberately mis-representing the facts for reasons of their own.

Not saying what those reasons might be but if I were you I would investigate these people for possible RMT infractions. Plus the ones who have responses like "Now I am not defending RMT but if you take action against it it fooks up the game for everyone". Blink

But you've already thought of that haven't you? Blink

PAN
Lacco
Gas Factory
#157 - 2012-04-03 20:30:45 UTC
Quote:
While there were reports of false positives related to this event, thus far every single valid "false" positive we've investigated was tagged because they had actually done something wrong, in most cases purchasing an account illegally or enabling RMT sellers via providing them with "loans". This is completely unacceptable behavior and in each instance thus far the purchased accounts were left closed and the loaned isk remained frozen.



I'm sad to see CCP makes claim of this sort. Just roughly three weeks ago GM's banned characters amarri4 and Norlana (who are both friends of mine) who received a plex free of charge at Jita. Supposedly these characters were tagged as result and were immidiately banned after the incident.

How ever, what happened next was that amarri4's petitions were answered and he was unbanned. Norlana remains banned, and his petitions remain unanswered, nor does he have received email to clarify what is the current status of his account.

This kind of activity where CCP blindfold hunts for RMT will lead to a disaster and many of those who are innocent will get banned. As a result I'm concidering closing all my accounts and start looking for another game if this problem remains unsolved for longer period of time.
Buzzmong
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#158 - 2012-04-03 20:31:55 UTC
Good Stuff.
Mioelnir
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#159 - 2012-04-03 20:32:29 UTC
CCP Sreegs wrote:
Mioelnir wrote:
CCP Sreegs wrote:
1) Right now we haven't had to go any farther than the consumer ie the guy who made the purchase. If things change we will as well.

So, basically, you have been given carte-blanche to shut down the game by banning every single account producing anything for market if you deem necessary. It's not like we can choose who to sell to on the eve market.

No offense, but I think I'll just switch my production chars from 12 month subscriptions to a monthly / as needed basis. Having 250 SP in industry is starting to feel like a security feature.


I'm pretty sure you're going a bit overboard here.


Good. Lol
CCP Sreegs
CCP Retirement Home
#160 - 2012-04-03 20:33:52 UTC
Lacco wrote:
Quote:
While there were reports of false positives related to this event, thus far every single valid "false" positive we've investigated was tagged because they had actually done something wrong, in most cases purchasing an account illegally or enabling RMT sellers via providing them with "loans". This is completely unacceptable behavior and in each instance thus far the purchased accounts were left closed and the loaned isk remained frozen.



I'm sad to see CCP makes claim of this sort. Just roughly three weeks ago GM's banned characters amarri4 and Norlana (who are both friends of mine) who received a plex free of charge at Jita. Supposedly these characters were tagged as result and were immidiately banned after the incident.

How ever, what happened next was that amarri4's petitions were answered and he was unbanned. Norlana remains banned, and his petitions remain unanswered, nor does he have received email to clarify what is the current status of his account.

This kind of activity where CCP blindfold hunts for RMT will lead to a disaster and many of those who are innocent will get banned. As a result I'm concidering closing all my accounts and start looking for another game if this problem remains unsolved for longer period of time.


I'm not a GM and can't speak for what they do. You should take this up with them as it has nothing to do with this thread or the work of my team. What I said stands and is 100% accurate.

"Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012