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Pilgrim Replacement?
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Vultirnus
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2012-04-03 16:49:34 UTC
Dear Capsuleers Who Know A Lot More Than Me,

I am faced with a dilemma.

I love the Pilgrim. I love cloaky ships, and I love the fact that it is a drone boat. I currently reside in a WH but spend a lot of my time cruising through our lo-sec connections looking for little fights against frigates and cruisers ratting. On paper the Pilgrim looked like a ship that could handle that very well, so long as I picked my targets very carefully.

The problem as I see it (after having flown this around for a while now) is as follows:

  1. It is slow, VERY slow. I have a hard time getting the jump on frigates in a belt without them warping away.
  2. It is a seriously expensive ship to just fight frigates in


I have begun looking at other ships that might be able to facilitate my lo-sec needs. I'm still pretty new to pvp and would like to start engaging cruisers more often when I can find them. I'm currently in the thinking of fitting a Punisher or AF and forgoing the cloak all together, but wanted the pro's opinions on the matter.

Thanks in advance for any advice!

P.S. I only fly Amarr hulls

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Kattshiro
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-04-03 17:03:16 UTC
Vaga.... Oh you dont want to train other stuff...

How are you not keeping frigs down?

Scamble, web neut... drones... Also you cloak on top of them...

In which case head to a hack or a BC if you want bigger prey.
Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
#3 - 2012-04-03 17:09:32 UTC
Kattshiro wrote:
How are you not keeping frigs down?


Because a Pilgrim has to wait six seconds before even starting to lock a target, and frigates generally have align times much less than six seconds.
Kattshiro
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-04-03 17:14:42 UTC
touche...
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#5 - 2012-04-03 17:51:00 UTC
The pilgrim can engage much, much more than frigates. You can engage just about any turret boat in 1v1 and have a very good chance of winning. You can gank just about anything with an active tank. Some examples:

Maelstrom: http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=15035733

Active Tanked Tengu: http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=14385870

Katja Faith
Doomheim
#6 - 2012-04-03 17:53:01 UTC
Go Curse or Vagabond... great ships for solo pvp (real pvp).
Vultirnus
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2012-04-03 17:57:07 UTC
Kattshiro wrote:
Vaga.... Oh you dont want to train other stuff...

How are you not keeping frigs down?

Scamble, web neut... drones... Also you cloak on top of them...

In which case head to a hack or a BC if you want bigger prey.


Yeah the 6 second timer can make locking someone who is on their toes difficult.

I'm aware the nuets are great for chewing through active tankers, but is there a way to tell if they are actively tanking before engaging? Looking for the shield of armor reps or something?

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BolsterBomb
Perkone
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-04-03 18:12:11 UTC
Vultirnus wrote:
Kattshiro wrote:
Vaga.... Oh you dont want to train other stuff...

How are you not keeping frigs down?

Scamble, web neut... drones... Also you cloak on top of them...

In which case head to a hack or a BC if you want bigger prey.


Yeah the 6 second timer can make locking someone who is on their toes difficult.

I'm aware the nuets are great for chewing through active tankers, but is there a way to tell if they are actively tanking before engaging? Looking for the shield of armor reps or something?



I belive it "glows" like a halo around the ship if they are active tanking and have shields hardners running

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Tobiaz
Spacerats
#9 - 2012-04-03 18:32:58 UTC
BolsterBomb wrote:
Vultirnus wrote:
Kattshiro wrote:
Vaga.... Oh you dont want to train other stuff...

How are you not keeping frigs down?

Scamble, web neut... drones... Also you cloak on top of them...

In which case head to a hack or a BC if you want bigger prey.


Yeah the 6 second timer can make locking someone who is on their toes difficult.

I'm aware the nuets are great for chewing through active tankers, but is there a way to tell if they are actively tanking before engaging? Looking for the shield of armor reps or something?



I belive it "glows" like a halo around the ship if they are active tanking and have shields hardners running


Hardeners are only a constant shimmer, while a shield booster is more periodically and a very clear flash.

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Ravenesa
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-04-03 19:29:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Ravenesa
Vultirnus wrote:
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  • It is slow, VERY slow. I have a hard time getting the jump on frigates in a belt without them warping away
  • It is a seriously expensive ship to just fight frigates i [/list P.S. I only fly Amarr hull
    • I'm guessing your Pilgrim lacks an Expanded Probe Launcher? The Pilgrim is very good at attacking missioners, plex runners, and larger ships. Smaller ships are the bane of the Pilgrim for the above mentioned problems plus unbonused neut range. It excels at killing other cruisers, HAC's, Battlecruise hulls, and Battleship hulls. You just need the patience for it.

    The Pulse Crusader can make for a good ship to fight T1 frigs in

    For the T1 frigs the Bleeding Punisher, aka AC and NOS instead of Pulse is good too. The Vengence version isn't so bad, but gets outclassed by other AF's

    And the standard Arby hull is both cheap and effective.
    Liang Nuren
    No Salvation
    Divine Damnation
    #11 - 2012-04-03 19:34:55 UTC
    Use a tanked rocket bomber for sneaking up on frigates. Yes, really. Use a torp bomber for rocking BCs. The Pilgrim should do well against cruisers and turret battleships.

    -Liang

    I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
    Liang Nuren
    No Salvation
    Divine Damnation
    #12 - 2012-04-03 19:35:35 UTC
    Tobiaz wrote:

    Hardeners are only a constant shimmer, while a shield booster is more periodically and a very clear flash.


    Boosters also sound different. A very distinctive and periodic "HUM HUM" sound

    -Liang

    I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
    Skelee VI
    Swamp Panthers
    Bog Brotherhood
    #13 - 2012-04-03 19:37:44 UTC
    If you like the covert ops thing. You could do it in a legion!
    If its frigs you are after thorax!
    Vultirnus
    Hedion University
    Amarr Empire
    #14 - 2012-04-03 19:56:33 UTC
    Skelee VI wrote:
    If you like the covert ops thing. You could do it in a legion!
    If its frigs you are after thorax!


    Yes I can barely afford to lose a Pilgrim, why not jump into a Legion.

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    Lunkwill Khashour
    Ministry of War
    Amarr Empire
    #15 - 2012-04-03 20:33:05 UTC
    If you can't afford to lose a pilgrim, don't fly it.

    I'ld recommend the arbitrator. Very similar to a pilgrim (except for the bonused neuts and cloak) but you can afford to be a helluva lot more aggressive.
    Kattshiro
    Deep Core Mining Inc.
    Caldari State
    #16 - 2012-04-03 21:10:26 UTC
    That or you need a partner.

    Cost wise the next best thing is BC. Also neuts are good for capping out people using MWD, and any weapon system that uses energy == no fire back no speed, no warp.
    Ravenesa
    School of Applied Knowledge
    Caldari State
    #17 - 2012-04-03 21:22:48 UTC
    Kattshiro wrote:
    That or you need a partner.

    Cost wise the next best thing is BC. Also neuts are good for capping out people using MWD, and any weapon system that uses energy == no fire back no speed, no warp.


    What a Pilgrim can do to a Harbinger should be a crime... GCC for Everybody!
    Andrea Griffin
    #18 - 2012-04-03 21:24:38 UTC
    The problem with the Pilgrim is that the DPS is pretty low. You won't kill anything quickly. Stay away from Drakes.

    CCP Sreegs is my favorite developer.
    Vultirnus
    Hedion University
    Amarr Empire
    #19 - 2012-04-03 21:24:44 UTC
    Thank you all for the feedback. I have a much better grasp of my options now.

    http://voicevvvoid.wordpress.com/
    Caldari Citizen 786478786
    #20 - 2012-04-04 00:00:59 UTC
    Vultirnus wrote:
    Yes I can barely afford to lose a Pilgrim, why not jump into a Legion.


    In your original post you mentioned that you live in a WH and yet you can barely afford to lose a Pilgrim? You, my friend, are doing something very, very wrong.
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