EVE General Discussion

I would much rather see better mechanisms for hunting players rather than holding a chokepoint and hoping for a fight against something that is generally not made for it. As well, opening the chokepoints would encourage people to visit the lower sec systems, and when they stop to do any other activities (like mining, ratting or exploring) they can be caught and killed. That would make for far more interesting fights than the current setup. Yes you can avoid the fights if you fly something made to avoid fights or if you rely on other characters' information. You have no way to know if a gate is camped on the other side without poking your nose across. Which means that if you aren't flying something that can avoid said fight, you are dead.

You want to encourage more people to visit low sec so that there are more targets. This is the ultimate goal. By chasing them off before they get there...that's silly.



I like where your rambling was taking you. It would enable a way to fool scanners, which should be allowed in some way. I think I would still allow ship bonuses for various things, but I would want to get rid of the very specific non-combat ships, like mining/industrial ships and fold them into existing hulls. Right now, if you fly a non-combat ship, you are an easy target. If you didn't know if your target could fight back effectively that would make for more interesting fights I think.



That could definitely be interesting, but as we've seen with "nigh impossible" titans, people find a way to do way more than CCP intends, and allowing the noob zones to be overrun with gankers would be suicide for EVE as a game.

dont know, i am not an expert on game mechanics.

But so far what i heard.

1.Sov. structure grinding
cons current system - promotes blobing as the only viable strategy. No tactics present. Bigger blobs inbound is necessary to compete on meaningful operation. Less tactics, more numbers.
to be changed - dont know as i am not the one directly overseeing sovereignty warfare. But i bet there are many political figures and FCs who can come up with some interesting ideas.

2.Moon Mining
Well as it is now it is pretty solid, it brings stable income for an alliance/corporation or sometimes even an solitude member
I would add some tactics for direct intervention with the moon harvesting cycles, in other words stealing would require specific modules/ships ?? dont know and some numbers.

3.And sniper fleets / aka on grid probing.
Obvious - if you engage at 180 km f.e. the enemy will just probe you and warp right on top of you.
Which will go for insane rewarp and one hit rewarp warp back other hit scenarios which are boring. Or get slaughtered which is actually less painfull.

Not sure if anything of that has been mentioned or has been changed lately.

**edited. As i said i am not an expert on mechanics.

Alright, I can see the motivation. Can I suggest then that:

(a) Having an alternative path into a system is a better mechanism. Look at the path from Nonni to Aikantoh - I know this spot well because I was based in Aikantoh for a while and lost a few ships to the gate-camp that sits on Aunenen. My own stupidity, I loaded up and thought to myself: "Yeah, it's late. They won't be there". Famous last words ... In any event, there is one path from Nonni to Aikantoh unless you feel like turning 3 jumps into 23+ and even that won't avoid any low-sec areas where camps are possible. More options would help avoid the camp, while still giving the campers something to strive for.

(b) Creating a set of modules and skills, perhaps related to your local replacement idea, that allows you to launch a drone / probe through a Stargate may be useful. Because it contains active sensors, it would be a valid target for a camp if they could lock it. And because it has to jump back before you get your intel you may or may not know what is going on. Basically, build on the idea of Local intel, scouting, etc. and allow for the other players to corrupt / attack / counter a probe drone flying through.

In general I am against removing something that gives enjoyment to some players, even if that is to the detriment of other players. It would be better to focus on better tools so the war between the two groups can escalate and fluctuate and lead to more dynamic play.

Target and lock probe. Cycle module that corrupts the sensor feedback. Or use one of the sensor modules we discussed earlier to have the ships waiting on the other side appear as a collection of industrial ships. It would be up to the pilot on the other end to analyse the grid and decide if they felt it was safe or not. This is a bit more immediate than the starmap and still allows for a chance to determine what happens.



For that specific case, yes, but it was altered as suicide ganking is still possible. I know, your idea of random appearing locations is only an alteration, but it seems a bit too odd to me.

No thanks! Been there and came here cause I dislike milk & cookies as I dislike 1clickies :)

Well now we are at it
1) transfer drones from cargo bay to drone bay mid space and even other ships *poof* - there you go.
2) transfer equipment from one ship to another - *poof* there you go - fully gear for you drake in one click.
3) Hell - lets make it so we do not even have to fly anymore, I mean - teleportation right? Lets just be able to teleport everybody and everything around as we see fit. Why even have ships?

Oh and I want macros and addons cause then I REALLY do not have to think anymore. I can just spam 1,2 and 3 on keyboard activating my macros.

Being to able fully switch between 3 different fitting mid space in one click is imho a bad idea and do not serve a purpose. It will take away the team play and cooperation which is essential in this game as will removing role specific ships.

About the gates...
I would like too see freelancer idea of gate malfunction so that they don't get you to desired locations sometimes.

I'm still not sure about your dislike for gate camps.

What proposals do you have as an alternate method of hunting targets? Currently it is literally impossible to catch an aware and experienced pilot, non-consensual PvP in this game is literally down to just picking off the idiots. Removing gate camping as a viable tactic would even further reduce the PvP element of Eve.

Gate camping has it's flaws, most notably that there are so many ways around it (jump freighters, carrier logistics, nullified T3s, covert ops haulers, the MWD+cloak trick, scouting), but it is one of the few reliable sources of non-consensual PvP.

Not passing judgement at all. All I'm saying is that if you cross a gate with a ship that is not designed to "run", if there is a gate camp on the other side, you are essentially dead, with no chance of escape. If you jump across in a ship that is designed to run, the gate campers have no fight. Thus everyone either jumps in a ship that is designed to "run" or no one goes through at all. Neither of those situations encourage people to visit low sec for any activities beyond "getting through it to go somewhere else"

If you move the hunters away from the choke points, the prey will be more likely to poke their noses in. Since the hunters won't leave, because it is the only "easy" way to ensure fights (even as one-sided as they are), then you have to remove the choke points. Now you'll have to "hunt" them. Give tools to hunters to be able to catch those ships and voila, you still have your fights!

Change the Dscan to be less spammable (like an alterable sonar, with range and angle affecting speed), add modules that allow scanning (so that you have to sacrifice tank or gank for knowledge), add the ability for easy targets to defend themselves in some way (be able to mine AND do combat) and you will see people start to show up more, since they "feel" safer. Thus you gain more targets and more possibilities for good fights (not just fights that you managed to catch on a gate).

Yes! Making PVP have a point in the game would help to drive more people towards it.

1. Kill rights: Eye for an eye, ship for a ship, pod for a pod - It's not balanced in the moment, if someone kills your pod you should have the right to give this back without committing a crime.

2. Remove local

3. Highsec should be only in constellations, where the HQs of the factions reside. But there it should really be secure, and additionally: only lvl 2 missions, small roids and belts, just for beginners.