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Frying Doom
#61 - 2012-04-03 07:08:07 UTC
Zirise wrote:
So Mittens tells some guy to end it and in the ensuing marathon of soapboxing we decide to be guilt-ridden into airing all our PC laundry?

Who the **** cares that you have aspergers? Don't make a point of bringing it up and its not an issue. I'm sure over half of the retreads in this game probably partially qualify themselves. People are going to talk **** about everything, so just ignore it and move on.

The point was not really who does and does not have Aspergers, but that insulting people by using people's disabilities as a slur is no better than a racial slur, but yet it is done repeatedly in this game and on these forums.

I feel if they block racial slurs and swearing they really should block this gutter attack on people who in a lot of cases cannot defend them selves.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Dyner
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#62 - 2012-04-03 08:13:43 UTC
Hito-Shura wrote:
I've been playing EVE Online for almost 2 years now. I've had my hand in almost every aspect of EVE during the time I've played it. I was a highsec carebear, running Level 4 missions. I did some time in Nullsec, being part of the blob. I have been a pirate in lowsec, attacking ships ranging from Carriers to their cyno alts, both solo and in a gang. I've even lived in a wormhole for some time. I am a 26 year old male living in Cleveland, Ohio in the USA, graduated from college twice with a BS in Computer Animation and Design with a Masters in Technology, focused on Quality Assurance and Control.

And I have autism. Asperger's Syndrome, to be exact.

Lately, though, I have noticed that there has been an increase in the use of the word autism. Its been somewhat disturbing to me that its been mostly used in a derogatory way. Anyone who is a highsec carebear n00b pubbie is autistic or heck, even when Goons were interdicting Gallente ice, I've noticed talk about 'Using Aspergers to camp the belts for miners'.

And I'm wondering why is this so? Why is being autistic bad all the sudden? Is it the new 'gay' from the 90s? Can someone explain it to me? Is it just EVE Online or is it ranging all the games on the internet?



Wear it with pride.

People are just jealous that Aspies are smarter than them. Cool
Frying Doom
#63 - 2012-04-03 08:42:52 UTC
Dyner wrote:

People are just jealous that Aspies are smarter than them. Cool

You just pretty much stated that you don't believe people with aspergers are people.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
FlameGlow
Perkone
Caldari State
#64 - 2012-04-03 08:47:20 UTC
Aspies be sperging in da thread
ctx2007
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#65 - 2012-04-03 11:17:20 UTC
Hito-Shura wrote:
I've been playing EVE Online for almost 2 years now. I've had my hand in almost every aspect of EVE during the time I've played it. I was a highsec carebear, running Level 4 missions. I did some time in Nullsec, being part of the blob. I have been a pirate in lowsec, attacking ships ranging from Carriers to their cyno alts, both solo and in a gang. I've even lived in a wormhole for some time. I am a 26 year old male living in Cleveland, Ohio in the USA, graduated from college twice with a BS in Computer Animation and Design with a Masters in Technology, focused on Quality Assurance and Control.

And I have autism. Asperger's Syndrome, to be exact.

Lately, though, I have noticed that there has been an increase in the use of the word autism. Its been somewhat disturbing to me that its been mostly used in a derogatory way. Anyone who is a highsec carebear n00b pubbie is autistic or heck, even when Goons were interdicting Gallente ice, I've noticed talk about 'Using Aspergers to camp the belts for miners'.

And I'm wondering why is this so? Why is being autistic bad all the sudden? Is it the new 'gay' from the 90s? Can someone explain it to me? Is it just EVE Online or is it ranging all the games on the internet?



Well mate going off your qualifactions, autism has not let you down in life but it seems its given you the edge.

I would be proud to have those qualifactions myself. People who use that type of slander in the game are just ignorate of the fact it can be a gift.

I have epilespy, so i'm not allowed to drive. Yes its an inconvience, but hey i got a job and happily married.

I do enjoy correcting people who do understand epilespy, don't let them get you down, just know they don't have a clue what they are talking about.

Best wishes

ctx2007

You only realise you life has been a waste of time, when you wake up dead.
Josef Djugashvilis
#66 - 2012-04-03 11:21:22 UTC
THE L0CK wrote:
Man are we scraping the barrel or what with all this pc stuff. Not so sure about this one though. I've seen our wonderful starred word ******** used often but autistic? Really?
If anything more often than not I see the autistic people using their autism as a crutch (both in game and out), and when I say autistic people I really mean specifically the Asperger crowd. I've come to liken them to the ADHD's, who back in the 90's appeared to be every 1 out of 2 people. In fact I did a little research on Aspergers recently as I've been hearing the term more and more and it turns out that it and ADHD has quite an abundance of similar symptoms. Now I can't help but wonder if Aspergers is the new craze for Doctors who want to drug you with something new and expensive.



Just stick to your burger flipping and you will be fine.

This is not a signature.
Gorki Andropov
I Dn't Knw Wht You Wnt Bt I Cn't Gve It Anymre
#67 - 2012-04-03 11:39:55 UTC
OP wrote:
I am a 26 year old male living in Cleveland





Escape From L.A. wrote:
You may have survived Cleveland. You may have escaped from New York. But, this is L.A., vato. And, you're about to find out that this ******* city can kill anybody!



Also, just to add, my impression is that one does not simply live in Cleveland; one survives there.
Halete
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#68 - 2012-04-03 11:41:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Halete
I, for one, find that a certain degree of autism enhances the EVE:O experience.

That said, sure, people using the word 'autism' in a derogatory light sucks. But that's true for a lot of insults people throw at each-other online. If anything, at least they're throwing around the word autistic and not singling people out for their autism. It's just a part of playing online.

"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21
Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg
Doomheim
#69 - 2012-04-03 12:04:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg
America is so funny. No one is just stupid anymore everyone has to have a medically recognised syndrome.


Im my time i have encoutered a lot of Aspies and people with Autism and they truly could not write like you could. Many of them will be have to be cared and looked after for the rest of their lives.

My bests friends Aspie Brother likes to stand at the train station all day and count trains. He could not play this game or use a forum even if he wanted to.


The medicalisation of normality is the American way,

Standing in for Karn Dulake who was banned for saying bad words
Xpaulusx
Naari LLC
#70 - 2012-04-03 12:06:04 UTC
Killer Gandry wrote:
It's actually really simple.

People ridicule or hate what they don't understand. It's easier than getting to know the unknown.

Those who resort to names like Spacejew, *****, Sperg etc are nothing more than morally handicapped people with a severe lack of the human genome.
Most of them you reckognize by them dragging their knuckles over the ground while walking.



Actually, it is simple, my recomendation for the OP is to kill everybody in sight , he'll feel better, fixed. P

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BuzzyBeagle
Centers for Intergalactic Mercantile Acquisition
#71 - 2012-04-03 12:06:37 UTC
OP: With all due respect, you ask "why is Autism bad all of a sudden?"

I need to ask you. When was Autism ever a GOOD thing?
Aggressive Nutmeg
#72 - 2012-04-03 12:25:24 UTC
Holy carp. Autism is nasty stuff: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autism

Would not surprise me if a higher than average number of people with this condition do play Eve. Would explain a lot.

Never make eye contact with someone while eating a banana.
Ghoest
#73 - 2012-04-03 12:42:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Ghoest
I may have Aspergers - most of my family thinks I do - and I function effectivly in the real world but a bit differently than most people.
And I would guess that high functioning autism is a common condition to find in EVE as opposed to other places on the internet.

But dont start being pouty about it being an insult when its used as a metaphor. Its bad enough that so many gay guys cry about this.
The truth is some of us do behave differently than most people, its noticeable and its makes sense to use it as a metaphor. Lets just deal with it.



EDIT: I took the test and hit 33. Which indicates its possible that I meet the diagnostic criteria.

Wherever You Went - Here You Are
Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg
Doomheim
#74 - 2012-04-03 12:48:28 UTC
Ghoest wrote:
I may have Aspergers - most of my family thinks I do - and I function effectivly in the real world but a bit differently than most people.
And I would guess that high functioning autism is a common condition to find in EVE as opposed to other places on the internet.

But dont start being pouty about it being an insult when its used as a metaphor. Its bad enough that so many gay guys cry about this.
The truth is some of us do behave differently than most people, its noticeable and its makes sense to use it as a metaphor. Lets just deal with it.



Holy moly whats it like to have a family full of clinical psychologists who have diagnosed you.

Standing in for Karn Dulake who was banned for saying bad words
Kattshiro
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#75 - 2012-04-03 12:48:30 UTC
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
Kattshiro wrote:
Herping yourDerp wrote:
in the 90s no one heard of autism, assburgers and many other diseases

SUDDENLY 2010!!!!!!!!!!!!!
zomg 9 in 10 people have autism
just like the obesity "epidemic" suddenly everyone has a disease that no one heard of 10 or 20 years ago.

my advice, try and be like the 90s was because maybe its the food people eat and the way they don't exercise as much.
eat fatty foods like we did in the 80s and 90s, play outside every day or so
turn off your cell phone for a few hours a day ect.



Could also be the fact that they re examined the guidelines of what exactly autism is. They broaden it and surprise! More people were diagnosed.

It's like if you cast a larger net you can catch more fish!
Even CDC reports reflect this in plain English... "Dear public vaccines do not cause autism... The reason more people have autism is because they redefined what it is, and who fits under it"... Seriously go look up how general the definition is now.

IT MUST BE SOMETHING IN THE AIR!!!

/sigh...


So mercury isn't a neurotoxin now, zippy? Thimerosal did not contain mercury?

Of course, I have to say the exact cause cited... because Rule #1 of doing the idiot roll is to never argue facts, never bring up facts, just be condescending.... like you know what you are talking about, which you don't.

But the doses were too low!

Cause, you know, one year old baby resistance to neurotoxins is honestly probably higher than a full grown mans! Just saying. Ya know. It just makes sense!

Of course, they still stopped using it. But you know, a bunch of people said it was dangerous, and then the medical industry stopped using it.

My mamma always said, were there is smoke, there certainly ain't fire! Anyone who tells you different, they probably is lying to you!

Oh, and zippy, vaccines in general.... you know, not nearly safe as you think. Normal product liability is suspended for vaccines in the United States. You want to know what *BLEEP* they replaced it with? Use google.



Cool story bro. I mean it is a story.

Also names not Zippy, Champ.
Ghoest
#76 - 2012-04-03 12:55:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Ghoest
Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg wrote:
Ghoest wrote:
I may have Aspergers - most of my family thinks I do - and I function effectivly in the real world but a bit differently than most people.
And I would guess that high functioning autism is a common condition to find in EVE as opposed to other places on the internet.

But dont start being pouty about it being an insult when its used as a metaphor. Its bad enough that so many gay guys cry about this.
The truth is some of us do behave differently than most people, its noticeable and its makes sense to use it as a metaphor. Lets just deal with it.



Holy moly whats it like to have a family full of clinical psychologists who have diagnosed you.



Its not really like that. Its just that after years of being around me and seeing the way I live differently - thats everyone best guess.
It was mostly a case of me suggesting once that I seemed to fit the criteria when I looked at my life - and everyone more or less answering "well ya - we knew that."

Wherever You Went - Here You Are
Elena Melkan
Magellanic Itg
Goonswarm Federation
#77 - 2012-04-03 13:01:02 UTC
Remember, you can always ignore people who offend you. This is just a game.
Cailais
The Red Pill Taker Group
#78 - 2012-04-03 13:05:09 UTC
OP - The most likely reason is that once alerted to one, or two comments you either consciously or subconsciously began to look for a pattern. Not surprisingly you noticed even more comments - specifically because you were looking for them.

I doubt that there is a fundamental shift in attitudes towards autism, or that its use as a meme has become more prominent - you've simply become aware of an existing undercurrent of commentary around the subject.

Its possible that charities and medical opinion has been pushing the condition further towards the front on mainstream media coverage for some reason* - social advertising essentially - and this might bleed through virally into on line content (like an MMO).

*(A quick online search tells me that World Autism Awareness Day was on Monday, which supports the above analysis).

C.
Hito-Shura
Caldari Fire Demons University
#79 - 2012-04-03 13:18:30 UTC
Gorki Andropov wrote:
OP wrote:
I am a 26 year old male living in Cleveland





Escape From L.A. wrote:
You may have survived Cleveland. You may have escaped from New York. But, this is L.A., vato. And, you're about to find out that this ******* city can kill anybody!



Also, just to add, my impression is that one does not simply live in Cleveland; one survives there.


Indeed.

The only thing about Cleveland that really gets me is the heartbreaking Indians, especially in the 90s.
Terrorfrodo
Interbus Universal
#80 - 2012-04-03 13:20:07 UTC
Apathic incompetent carebears are insulted as autists because they behave like autists even though most of them are presumably not, in fact, autists. They could interact normally with other people, form communities, defend together against threats (gankers), but they choose not to.

It's like insulting someone as a ****** who is actually mentally healthy but acts as if he was in fact mentally ********. It's not an insult if you call someone what they really are. That is called impoliteness...

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