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Ship balancing chart: What CCP really thinks about each ship

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Nedes Betternaem
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#21 - 2012-04-03 06:40:05 UTC
Xurr wrote:
The ones i were referring too was the addition of a bounty to the drones.

Eh... I guess if you live in drone space that might be important. Otherwise, I still think salvage drones will do more to lower demand for marauders than the removal of rogue drone mineral drops.
Xurr
Wasted Potential.
#22 - 2012-04-03 06:49:18 UTC
Well for mission running the only time i'd consider a marauder is for the drone missions. Unless they are only changing the drone region drones, not the mission ones.

For infiltrated outposts and that convoy one i currently blitz them with my nightmare. With a marauder they might be worth looting. If drones get bounties i just don't see the point in ever taking out a marauder.
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#23 - 2012-04-03 07:02:37 UTC
Confirming Arbitrator is the only Amarr cruiser worth flying for a newbie :D

The Omen is too difficult to fit for a ship that should probably be considered the 'step up' for Amarr lazor users. Why not train directly for a Harby?

I do not understand why one of the Amarrian recons is marked in red? Both appear to be good ships. (I M NUB)

The Naug, like the Prophecy, is tank and not much more.
Dato Koppla
Balls Deep Inc.
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#24 - 2012-04-03 07:08:56 UTC
Weird about the Pilgrim, I always though it was one of the premier cloaky ships to uncloak on unsuspecting noobs and neut them to hell and set drones on em.

Yeah recon changes puzzle me a little, they marked one of the Caldari recons as yellow as well, probably the Rook but I don't see what they can do to fix that.
Donedy
Lulzsec Space
#25 - 2012-04-03 08:00:41 UTC
Proteus is broken? oO
I dunno what they mean by "broken", but im a bit affraid. Shocked
Tobiaz
Spacerats
#26 - 2012-04-03 09:15:08 UTC
Nedes Betternaem wrote:
Xurr wrote:
Its a bit interesting they consider all the marauders to be fine.

With the coming drone changes i see them losing what little value they have now.

Same here... damn shame, I was planning on buying one in the somewhat near future too.


If you're planning on flying them eventually, now is probably the best time to buy them. Lol

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Baneken
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#27 - 2012-04-03 09:39:06 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Hmm, supercarriers and titans: only half-broken. Not bad.


Well technically titans and SC aren't broken, theres just too damn many of them. P
ElQuirko
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2012-04-03 09:42:26 UTC
I'd like to know how the ships are broken - the proteus fills a very nice high dps/massive buffer role, as well as (post-crucible) being quite a nice active tanker. Could do with being a bit faster, but that's my only complaint. Don't hurt my proteus!

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Gnidex
Shadow Legion X
Seriously Suspicious
#29 - 2012-04-03 10:09:34 UTC
I'm surprised they think the Sacrilege is fine.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#30 - 2012-04-03 10:21:00 UTC
ElQuirko wrote:
I'd like to know how the ships are broken - the proteus fills a very nice high dps/massive buffer role, as well as (post-crucible) being quite a nice active tanker. Could do with being a bit faster, but that's my only complaint. Don't hurt my proteus!


I would guess they refer to it's complete uselesness in PVE, after all the T3s should be versatile and adaptable to various roles. Proteus is imo a pure PVP ship, but yeah, is pretty damn nice in that role.

Myrmidon needs to be rated as semi-borked, though.

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Keen Fallsword
Skyway Patrol
#31 - 2012-04-03 10:48:59 UTC
I dont care anymore
Koban Agalder
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2012-04-03 11:00:23 UTC
But what about a broken Naglfar?!Ugh

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Greg Valanti
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2012-04-03 11:20:28 UTC
Roime wrote:


Myrmidon needs to be rated as semi-borked, though.



In what way? It is one of the most versatile BCs in the game.
Liz Arji
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#34 - 2012-04-03 11:31:06 UTC
So the Nighthawk and Vulture are considered broken. I wonder if this only concerns their link module bonus or also their offensive/defensive abilities.
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2012-04-03 11:31:49 UTC
Was unable to see Minmatar industrials but I'm gonna go out on a limb and say: yellow (Wreathe) and green (Hoarder).

I see the Badger Mark II listed as green. I'd say it needs a cargo space buff, but it's nice for a defensive industrial. Though it's only marginally better than the Bestower in the few ways it is.

Also I disagree with the Cyclone being red. They might not have had much experience with those, but they are a very satisfying ratting ship if nothing else. A cyclone can tank very well for a tier 1 bc and though its damage output is lowish (not terrible, mind you!), the moderately large drone bay plus autocannons make it really easy to tear through frigate and cruiser rats alike. I've not yet flown any ship that was better at going through level 3 missions.
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Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#36 - 2012-04-03 11:48:45 UTC
Greg Valanti wrote:
Roime wrote:


Myrmidon needs to be rated as semi-borked, though.



In what way? It is one of the most versatile BCs in the game.


Yes, that's why only semi-broken. The problem I have with it is it's dps compared to Vexor. Same bandwidth, no weapon bonus.

Myrm should get the 100mbit/s to bring it's damage output over a Vexor.

It's very slow, and because of that it's often unable to apply the turret dps, and only relying on it's drones.

OTOH, one could also argue that Vexor is OP for a cruiser, and I wouldn't disagree Cool

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CCP Ytterbium
C C P
C C P Alliance
#37 - 2012-04-03 11:49:00 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Ytterbium
Clever girl.

OP is too smart for his own good, please all look at this magic flashy-thing pen while we put some sunglasses on...

More seriously, there are reasons why no ship names were on that chart.


  • The list is by no mean fixed, and ships we consider to be broken change all the time. Especially since this is a long term planned change.
  • The list is also highly biased to the reader. Depending on your experience, profession in EVE you may not find it accurate, and for good reasons. For instance, a Raven may be quite ok for mission running pilot, but far less appealing for a player engaged in long null-sec fleet warfare.
  • We wanted to avoid nitpicking discussions about which exact ships can be considered as broken, and just a provide a general review of the game status. During Fanfest, we were far more interested to move the discussion forward during the roundtables / questions on how to improve the ship status, not to spend most of our time arguing on which vessels are broken or not Blink.
Killer Gandry
The Concilium Enterprises
#38 - 2012-04-03 12:02:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Killer Gandry
People love to speculate.

I can easy fill any name in any place in that chart. Then tunble all around and put different names in places and still have a perfect explenation.

I saw someone saying " Sacrilege is fine?" If propperly fit it can hold it's ground to various other ships and fail horribly to others. But then again that is something true for every ship.
If you want a pure I-Win ship you should become a Dev and get a nice frig with 2,000,000 HP, 99% resist over the board in shield and armor and 8 DD's high.
Arkady Sadik
Gradient
Electus Matari
#39 - 2012-04-03 12:36:00 UTC
As "broken" can mean "too good" or "too bad", that list says preciously little.

But, well, for Minmatar, with the similar guesswork:

- All frigates except for Rifter and Firetail are broken
- Wolf, Jaguar are semi-broken (before the last changes, I guess)
- Hyena is broken
- All cruisers except the Rupture are broken. The Stabber is semi-broken.
- Muninn, Huginn are semi-broken
- Loki is semi-broken
- Cyclone is broken
- Prowler or Mastodon (not sure which) is broken
- Navy phoon, navy pest are semi-broken
- Panther is broken
- Hel and Ragnarok are semi-broken

Some of those are part of a ship class that is considered "(semi-)broken" across all races (e.g. blackops, supercaps), so might not even be ship-specific, but class-specific.
Hashi Lebwohl
The Graduates
The Initiative.
#40 - 2012-04-03 12:59:03 UTC
The minmatar are always the step child when in comes to handing out the presents. Typically , Amarr get the great armour buff, caldari get the shield buff, gallente get the damage buff , (pause whilst searching the bottom of the bag) minmatar gets the furry sweet nobody else wanted.